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Andy B

Quote from: Lizzie Zoom on 25 May 2019, 16:44:42
Quote from: Raeturbo on 25 May 2019, 16:34:53
We are stupid remember, leavers did not know what we were voting for, but of course the remainers did.   Mmmmm ::)

Yes, we knew the "£350 million per week we pay to the EU" was a lie, and immigration could not be stopped and those "not born here" could not be sent "back home". Very basic stuff because that is what was being fed to the voters, and when the truth about it came out, and Brexit would be a very hard job, people like Buffoon Boris just disappeared! :P

I knew that too but chose leave  ......

A local Tory councilor reckoned that the leavers were just ill-educated  >:(

Sir Tigger KC

Quote from: Lizzie Zoom on 25 May 2019, 16:44:42
Quote from: Raeturbo on 25 May 2019, 16:34:53
We are stupid remember, leavers did not know what we were voting for, but of course the remainers did.   Mmmmm ::)

Yes, we knew the "£350 million per week we pay to the EU" was a lie, and immigration could not be stopped and those "not born here" could not be sent "back home".  Very basic stuff because that is what was being fed to the voters, and when the truth about it came out, and Brexit would be a very hard job, people like Buffoon Boris just disappeared! :P

There was little or no analysis of what a vote to remain would have entailed, nor has there been since.  ::)

Just an unspoken assumption that it would have been business as usual.  :) 

We would have found out what voting remain meant at the forthcoming Multi Annual Budget negotiations and I'm sure that the 16 million would have been content to relinquish the rebate and pay £4 billion a year more for our membership of the EU.  :y

RIP Paul 'Luvvie' Lovejoy

Politically homeless ......

Nick W

Quote from: Sir Tigger QC on 25 May 2019, 17:28:20
There was little or no analysis of what a vote to remain would have entailed, nor has there been since.  ::)

Just an unspoken assumption that it would have been business as usual.  :) 

We would have found out what voting remain meant at the forthcoming Multi Annual Budget negotiations and I'm sure that the 16 million would have been content to relinquish the rebate and pay £4 billion a year more for our membership of the EU.  :y


It would have been worth that to avoid the whinging of the last three years. Let alone however long it takes to get a result of any kind.

Lizzie Zoom

Quote from: Nick W on 25 May 2019, 17:52:03
Quote from: Sir Tigger QC on 25 May 2019, 17:28:20
There was little or no analysis of what a vote to remain would have entailed, nor has there been since.  ::)

Just an unspoken assumption that it would have been business as usual.  :) 

We would have found out what voting remain meant at the forthcoming Multi Annual Budget negotiations and I'm sure that the 16 million would have been content to relinquish the rebate and pay £4 billion a year more for our membership of the EU.  :y


It would have been worth that to avoid the whinging of the last three years. Let alone however long it takes to get a result of any kind.


Let alone the enormous cost to the UK in administration, flights to Brussels, hotel and food bills, extra civil servants, tons of paper..................oh, and arranging extra ferry capacity along with setting up special motorway barriers, signs - which we still have - along with tests like trying out Manston as a lorry park...................the list must be endless if you also include commercial "arrangements" such as stock piling; and we will be paying for it all in addition to the get out Brexit EU charge ::) ::) :P

TheBoy

Quote from: Sir Tigger QC on 25 May 2019, 17:28:20
There was little or no analysis of what a vote to remain would have entailed, nor has there been since.  ::)
No, of course not, just all those that just about every single (sane) economist has done...
Grumpy old man

Sir Tigger KC

Quote from: TheBoy on 25 May 2019, 19:22:20
Quote from: Sir Tigger QC on 25 May 2019, 17:28:20
There was little or no analysis of what a vote to remain would have entailed, nor has there been since.  ::)
No, of course not, just all those that just about every single (sane) economist has done...

No, what you are referring to are the endless negative predictions of voting to leave which didn't come true and the ongoing negative and frankley hysterical predictions of what will happen if we actually leave, many of which have been discredited.  ::)

There has been little or no analysis, of the economic or political consequences of a remain vote.  ;)


RIP Paul 'Luvvie' Lovejoy

Politically homeless ......

Migv6 le Frog Fan

Quote from: Lizzie Zoom on 25 May 2019, 16:44:42
Quote from: Raeturbo on 25 May 2019, 16:34:53
We are stupid remember, leavers did not know what we were voting for, but of course the remainers did.   Mmmmm ::)

Yes, we knew the "£350 million per week we pay to the EU" was a lie, and immigration could not be stopped and those "not born here" could not be sent "back home".  Very basic stuff because that is what was being fed to the voters, and when the truth about it came out, and Brexit would be a very hard job, people like Buffoon Boris just disappeared! :P

We do pay that to the EU, although some of it comes back to the UK in the form of rebate,with very explicit instructions on how it must be spent.
No-one in any campaign mentioned stopping all immigration or sending foreigners home, unless you were listening to radio BNP ?
Boris didn't disappear, he was appointed foreign secretary and subsequently resigned in disgust at Mays chequers plan surrender treaty.
Its weird being the same age as old people !

Mister Rog

"The desire to be a politician should bar you for life from ever becoming one." Billy Connolly

Raeturbo

Ha ha no chance would be ambitious👍
Laying a rubber road.

Raeturbo

Trouble is for three years our country has been put down, underestimated, sold out.... you know the rest, reminds me of Chamberlain. For fks sake get out, we were great once and can be again without this EU s#it
Laying a rubber road.

Nick W

Quote from: Raeturbo on 25 May 2019, 22:16:08
Trouble is for three years our country has been put down, underestimated, sold out.... you know the rest, reminds me of Chamberlain. For fks sake get out, we were great once and can be again without this EU s#it


It's all Putin's fault: he got the Conservatives into power to be even bigger oppsups than Trump to take some of the heat off him. And it's the best investment ever because it's still working!

Varche

Quote from: Sir Tigger QC on 25 May 2019, 21:16:31
Quote from: TheBoy on 25 May 2019, 19:22:20
Quote from: Sir Tigger QC on 25 May 2019, 17:28:20
There was little or no analysis of what a vote to remain would have entailed, nor has there been since.  ::)
No, of course not, just all those that just about every single (sane) economist has done...

No, what you are referring to are the endless negative predictions of voting to leave which didn't come true and the ongoing negative and frankley hysterical predictions of what will happen if we actually leave, many of which have been discredited.  ::)

There has been little or no analysis, of the economic or political consequences of a remain vote.  ;)

I made that point some time ago. The plain truth is people do not like change. Never have and never will. Anything for an easy life. They do not see the bigger picture or the danger of a federal Europe. We shouldn't be critical as it is just a normal human trait. It is why people stay in hopeless marriages rather than embrace a clean break and do the right thing. They even come up with plausible excuses .

If Britains contribution had doubled , the spin put on it would have made it look OK. Somebody has to pay for the scandals like ERES. ( 775 million).
The biggest joke on mankind is that computers have started asking humans to prove that they aren't a robot.

TheBoy

Quote from: Sir Tigger QC on 25 May 2019, 21:16:31
Quote from: TheBoy on 25 May 2019, 19:22:20
Quote from: Sir Tigger QC on 25 May 2019, 17:28:20
There was little or no analysis of what a vote to remain would have entailed, nor has there been since.  ::)
No, of course not, just all those that just about every single (sane) economist has done...

No, what you are referring to are the endless negative predictions of voting to leave which didn't come true and the ongoing negative and frankley hysterical predictions of what will happen if we actually leave, many of which have been discredited.  ::)

There has been little or no analysis, of the economic or political consequences of a remain vote.  ;)
No, I'm referring to just about every single piece of analysis done, before, during and after the referendum.

But the Farage brainwashing* causes them all to be dismissed as Project Fear. Which means suddenly they are irrelevant, because the reality of it doesn't match what was/is being promised by some.


*Mostly via The Daily Mail.
Grumpy old man

Sir Tigger KC

Quote from: TheBoy on 26 May 2019, 11:42:49
Quote from: Sir Tigger QC on 25 May 2019, 21:16:31
Quote from: TheBoy on 25 May 2019, 19:22:20
Quote from: Sir Tigger QC on 25 May 2019, 17:28:20
There was little or no analysis of what a vote to remain would have entailed, nor has there been since.  ::)
No, of course not, just all those that just about every single (sane) economist has done...

No, what you are referring to are the endless negative predictions of voting to leave which didn't come true and the ongoing negative and frankley hysterical predictions of what will happen if we actually leave, many of which have been discredited.  ::)

There has been little or no analysis, of the economic or political consequences of a remain vote.  ;)
No, I'm referring to just about every single piece of analysis done, before, during and after the referendum.

But the Farage brainwashing* causes them all to be dismissed as Project Fear. Which means suddenly they are irrelevant, because the reality of it doesn't match what was/is being promised by some.


*Mostly via The Daily Mail.

Sigh.  ::)

You are still talking about the analysis and predictions of leaving not remaining.  ::)
RIP Paul 'Luvvie' Lovejoy

Politically homeless ......

TheBoy

Quote from: Sir Tigger QC on 26 May 2019, 11:52:53
Quote from: TheBoy on 26 May 2019, 11:42:49
Quote from: Sir Tigger QC on 25 May 2019, 21:16:31
Quote from: TheBoy on 25 May 2019, 19:22:20
Quote from: Sir Tigger QC on 25 May 2019, 17:28:20
There was little or no analysis of what a vote to remain would have entailed, nor has there been since.  ::)
No, of course not, just all those that just about every single (sane) economist has done...

No, what you are referring to are the endless negative predictions of voting to leave which didn't come true and the ongoing negative and frankley hysterical predictions of what will happen if we actually leave, many of which have been discredited.  ::)

There has been little or no analysis, of the economic or political consequences of a remain vote.  ;)
No, I'm referring to just about every single piece of analysis done, before, during and after the referendum.

But the Farage brainwashing* causes them all to be dismissed as Project Fear. Which means suddenly they are irrelevant, because the reality of it doesn't match what was/is being promised by some.


*Mostly via The Daily Mail.

Sigh.  ::)

You are still talking about the analysis and predictions of leaving not remaining.  ::)
WTF are you smoking?

They all did analysis of remaining.

They all did analysis of leaving.

Then they compared.  That's how this shit works.
Grumpy old man