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[TheBoy]

Virtually all 'big' studios now put on the 'you wouldn't steal a handbag, copying films is theft' trailer on now.  Disney used to be buggers with trailers for other films.

Part of the DVD spec allows a 'block' on controls during selected chapters, and they make use of this, esp for the 'piracy is theft' trailer.

The problem is, the film companies really need to drum this home, as a significant proportion of broadband users seem to think it is their god-given right to download films for free.  Yes, they need to catch up and come up with a workable solution to distribution, and DRM.

I know you sell you own DVDs on Ebay.  How would you feel if your sales dropped, and it was on every torrent tracker out there?  Or I know you develop software, how would you like it if all your clients got it off piratebay, rather than pay you, causing the company to go under?  There needs to be a (workable) solution found.



As to skipping these 'blocked' sections, its possible if you had a half decent player - which very obviously rules out athe Sony gayStation 3

[Martin_1962]

Virtually all 'big' studios now put on the 'you wouldn't steal a handbag, copying films is theft' trailer on now.  Disney used to be buggers with trailers for other films.

Part of the DVD spec allows a 'block' on controls during selected chapters, and they make use of this, esp for the 'piracy is theft' trailer.

The problem is, the film companies really need to drum this home, as a significant proportion of broadband users seem to think it is their god-given right to download films for free.  Yes, they need to catch up and come up with a workable solution to distribution, and DRM.

I know you sell you own DVDs on Ebay.  How would you feel if your sales dropped, and it was on every torrent tracker out there?  Or I know you develop software, how would you like it if all your clients got it off piratebay, rather than pay you, causing the company to go under?  There needs to be a (workable) solution found.

As to skipping these 'blocked' sections, its possible if you had a half decent player - which very obviously rules out athe Sony gayStation 3

I have run a few DVD players and they all get stuck unless they are modified (which costs money).

Our software has plenty of things to stop copy write infringement but doesn't stop the user using it to tell them.

As before I am sure the piracy is theft (actually it is copywrite infringement) causes more copying than it warns against.

[TheBoy]

Virtually all 'big' studios now put on the 'you wouldn't steal a handbag, copying films is theft' trailer on now.  Disney used to be buggers with trailers for other films.

Part of the DVD spec allows a 'block' on controls during selected chapters, and they make use of this, esp for the 'piracy is theft' trailer.

The problem is, the film companies really need to drum this home, as a significant proportion of broadband users seem to think it is their god-given right to download films for free.  Yes, they need to catch up and come up with a workable solution to distribution, and DRM.

I know you sell you own DVDs on Ebay.  How would you feel if your sales dropped, and it was on every torrent tracker out there?  Or I know you develop software, how would you like it if all your clients got it off piratebay, rather than pay you, causing the company to go under?  There needs to be a (workable) solution found.

As to skipping these 'blocked' sections, its possible if you had a half decent player - which very obviously rules out athe Sony gayStation 3

I have run a few DVD players and they all get stuck unless they are modified (which costs money).

Our software has plenty of things to stop copy write infringement but doesn't stop the user using it to tell them.

As before I am sure the piracy is theft (actually it is copywrite infringement) causes more copying than it warns against.

My DVD player obeys all instructions I give it, and at any point. And its not modified - but as it runs Windows, its what you would expect.

wrt to your software, would your company be pleased if its protection system(s) were bypassed, and publically available?

As to whether it causes more copying, I'd disagree.  I suspect that a reasonable proportion of users watching downloaded films either do not think its illegal, or think its victimless.  Hence a 60s clip to remind people probably helps no end.  Additionally, it ensures that people cannot use ignorance as an excuse to copy/download/whatever.

I'd also guess that most film lovers go to the flicks at least every 4-8weeks (except those that think its OK to download films), and have to sit through the same 60s 'piracy is theft' trailer...

[feeutfo]

Virtually all 'big' studios now put on the 'you wouldn't steal a handbag, copying films is theft' trailer on now.  Disney used to be buggers with trailers for other films.

Part of the DVD spec allows a 'block' on controls during selected chapters, and they make use of this, esp for the 'piracy is theft' trailer.

The problem is, the film companies really need to drum this home, as a significant proportion of broadband users seem to think it is their god-given right to download films for free.  Yes, they need to catch up and come up with a workable solution to distribution, and DRM.

I know you sell you own DVDs on Ebay.  How would you feel if your sales dropped, and it was on every torrent tracker out there?  Or I know you develop software, how would you like it if all your clients got it off piratebay, rather than pay you, causing the company to go under?  There needs to be a (workable) solution found.



As to skipping these 'blocked' sections, its possible if you had a half decent player - which very obviously rules out athe Sony gayStation 3

No Red Ring of Death on a gay station...

[TheBoy]

Virtually all 'big' studios now put on the 'you wouldn't steal a handbag, copying films is theft' trailer on now.  Disney used to be buggers with trailers for other films.

Part of the DVD spec allows a 'block' on controls during selected chapters, and they make use of this, esp for the 'piracy is theft' trailer.

The problem is, the film companies really need to drum this home, as a significant proportion of broadband users seem to think it is their god-given right to download films for free.  Yes, they need to catch up and come up with a workable solution to distribution, and DRM.

I know you sell you own DVDs on Ebay.  How would you feel if your sales dropped, and it was on every torrent tracker out there?  Or I know you develop software, how would you like it if all your clients got it off piratebay, rather than pay you, causing the company to go under?  There needs to be a (workable) solution found.



As to skipping these 'blocked' sections, its possible if you had a half decent player - which very obviously rules out athe Sony gayStation 3

No Red Ring of Death on a gay station...

No red ring of death on my Media Center either

[feeutfo]

Virtually all 'big' studios now put on the 'you wouldn't steal a handbag, copying films is theft' trailer on now.  Disney used to be buggers with trailers for other films.

Part of the DVD spec allows a 'block' on controls during selected chapters, and they make use of this, esp for the 'piracy is theft' trailer.

The problem is, the film companies really need to drum this home, as a significant proportion of broadband users seem to think it is their god-given right to download films for free.  Yes, they need to catch up and come up with a workable solution to distribution, and DRM.

I know you sell you own DVDs on Ebay.  How would you feel if your sales dropped, and it was on every torrent tracker out there?  Or I know you develop software, how would you like it if all your clients got it off piratebay, rather than pay you, causing the company to go under?  There needs to be a (workable) solution found.



As to skipping these 'blocked' sections, its possible if you had a half decent player - which very obviously rules out athe Sony gayStation 3

No Red Ring of Death on a gay station...

No red ring of death on my Media Center either

dont have to spend £80 to add wireless or £120 for a soon to be out of date HD format... on a gay station.
 

[Martin_1962]

Virtually all 'big' studios now put on the 'you wouldn't steal a handbag, copying films is theft' trailer on now.  Disney used to be buggers with trailers for other films.

Part of the DVD spec allows a 'block' on controls during selected chapters, and they make use of this, esp for the 'piracy is theft' trailer.

The problem is, the film companies really need to drum this home, as a significant proportion of broadband users seem to think it is their god-given right to download films for free.  Yes, they need to catch up and come up with a workable solution to distribution, and DRM.

I know you sell you own DVDs on Ebay.  How would you feel if your sales dropped, and it was on every torrent tracker out there?  Or I know you develop software, how would you like it if all your clients got it off piratebay, rather than pay you, causing the company to go under?  There needs to be a (workable) solution found.

As to skipping these 'blocked' sections, its possible if you had a half decent player - which very obviously rules out athe Sony gayStation 3

I have run a few DVD players and they all get stuck unless they are modified (which costs money).

Our software has plenty of things to stop copy write infringement but doesn't stop the user using it to tell them.

As before I am sure the piracy is theft (actually it is copywrite infringement) causes more copying than it warns against.

My DVD player obeys all instructions I give it, and at any point. And its not modified - but as it runs Windows, its what you would expect.

wrt to your software, would your company be pleased if its protection system(s) were bypassed, and publically available?

As to whether it causes more copying, I'd disagree.  I suspect that a reasonable proportion of users watching downloaded films either do not think its illegal, or think its victimless.  Hence a 60s clip to remind people probably helps no end.  Additionally, it ensures that people cannot use ignorance as an excuse to copy/download/whatever.

I'd also guess that most film lovers go to the flicks at least every 4-8weeks (except those that think its OK to download films), and have to sit through the same 60s 'piracy is theft' trailer...

I never do cinema - too expensive and too many knobs in them.

I usually buy them when they are discounted, and I reckon a lot of people didn't even know you could get pirated DVDs, I have no idea where I would get them from.

I know about downloading but I do not do films.

[Elite Pete]

If me and the wife go the the flix, we go to the ones at the Lowry Centre. Each seat is £18 but you get recliners, waitress service and at that price no knob heads

[Bandit127]

Virtually all 'big' studios now put on the 'you wouldn't steal a handbag, copying films is theft' trailer on now.  Disney used to be buggers with trailers for other films.

Part of the DVD spec allows a 'block' on controls during selected chapters, and they make use of this, esp for the 'piracy is theft' trailer.

The problem is, the film companies really need to drum this home, as a significant proportion of broadband users seem to think it is their god-given right to download films for free.  Yes, they need to catch up and come up with a workable solution to distribution, and DRM.

I know you sell you own DVDs on Ebay.  How would you feel if your sales dropped, and it was on every torrent tracker out there?  Or I know you develop software, how would you like it if all your clients got it off piratebay, rather than pay you, causing the company to go under?  There needs to be a (workable) solution found.



As to skipping these 'blocked' sections, its possible if you had a half decent player - which very obviously rules out athe Sony gayStation 3

Sorry TB but I think you are wrong.

The dynamics of the marketplace have changed considerably. The music business is making an effort to adapt. The software and film indstry is just shouting, louder and louder, about how it used to be and how it SHOULD be.

If I was selling my software on ebay and having it nicked, I would be looking quite hard at other ways to make money from it. Not loading it with copy protection or firing money at lawyers. That way keeps you one step behind and costs you an arm and a leg in a way that adds no value for anyone.

Thre are no simple answers here, but the music business will invent the next profitable system the soonest. Meanwhile, the software (and probably film) industries will continue to pour it's effort in to making victims out of Mr and Mrs average and actually get nowhere fast because they are not adapting. While the music business will start getting healthy levels of cash in the door again.

The cheese has moved.

[Kevin Wood]

I would have thought it would have been proven by now that crippling your product does nothing to prevent piracy. It just provides a greater incentive for people to crack your protection, after which it's a free-for-all anyway.

The world has moved on and the industry of making money from media hasn't. I don't know what the solution is but the industry should have ruddy well found it by now.

Kevin

[feeutfo]

last time i went to the cinema, iron man, i thought the quality of the picture was absalute crap, (picture quality wasnt very god either) scratches and hikies and blobs all over the place. And yes there is always at least one knob in the house.
 
Why dont we get warnings on cd's ? Hmm? Im with Kevin myself. Apple store for HD films, needs to be coming soon if you ask me, no doubt impossiblle at the moment with the useless level of band width in this country. 1,150 meg band width in my street, rubbish. Sorry, Gay...

[HolyCount]

Bottom line is they are too greedy ---- half the price will probably result in more than twice the sales ..... lower profit per unit resulting in higher unit turnover .........

Simplistic -- but then, I have a simple mind  :-/

[Martin_1962]

Bottom line is they are too greedy ---- half the price will probably result in more than twice the sales ..... lower profit per unit resulting in higher unit turnover .........

Simplistic -- but then, I have a simple mind  :-/

That's why I buy in sales.

And why Momentum & Fox are on my gay list

[TheBoy]

Virtually all 'big' studios now put on the 'you wouldn't steal a handbag, copying films is theft' trailer on now.  Disney used to be buggers with trailers for other films.

Part of the DVD spec allows a 'block' on controls during selected chapters, and they make use of this, esp for the 'piracy is theft' trailer.

The problem is, the film companies really need to drum this home, as a significant proportion of broadband users seem to think it is their god-given right to download films for free.  Yes, they need to catch up and come up with a workable solution to distribution, and DRM.

I know you sell you own DVDs on Ebay.  How would you feel if your sales dropped, and it was on every torrent tracker out there?  Or I know you develop software, how would you like it if all your clients got it off piratebay, rather than pay you, causing the company to go under?  There needs to be a (workable) solution found.



As to skipping these 'blocked' sections, its possible if you had a half decent player - which very obviously rules out athe Sony gayStation 3

No Red Ring of Death on a gay station...

No red ring of death on my Media Center either

dont have to spend £80 to add wireless or £120 for a soon to be out of date HD format... on a gay station.
 

As I don't need to on my Media Center

And, for the XBOX, HD drive can be picked up brand new for around£20 as companies are losing stock.  And the wireless is around £40, and the console is £150 cheaper than the equivilent gayStation

gayStation potential buyers beware, as there is a rumour it will be short lived due to poor sales, and even poorer profit, and gayStation IV originally planned for 2010 may be dragged forward a year.

[TheBoy]

Bottom line is they are too greedy ---- half the price will probably result in more than twice the sales ..... lower profit per unit resulting in higher unit turnover .........

Simplistic -- but then, I have a simple mind  :-/

Doesn't work, certainly in this country.

Earlier this decade, DVDs were £20 a pop, now they average about £12. The proportion of illegal duplication has gone up, despite prices going down.

There is a mentaility in this country, because you can do it easily, that makes it OK to copy or download, hence all the uproar a couple of years ago about ISP traffic shaping, FUP/AUPs, and ISP assisted p2p discovery.


I agree the current 'high street' distribution method will increase costs, as you have physical costs, packaging, distribution, and retails costs.  The likes of Play/Amazon should be much cheaper than they are, they are the greedy ones.  They buy direct, pay lower tax, and send direct.

Some kind of electronic direct distribution would half the costs, but it would obviously have to be heavily DRM'd, which always gets people's hackles up.  It would also be another nail in the coffin of the High Street - sadly how many High Streets now have unique independent shops, rather than the usual chains that every other town has?