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[Lizzie Zoom]

The majority of British people voted for BREXIT.

Democracy should dictate we leave the EU come rain or sunshine.

The feeble excuse of an opposition leader, Corbyn, is again showing his disdain for democracy by trying to create a second "Parliament" and block leaving the EU, deal or no deal, against the will of the majority of the electorate.  What have people like him, and many other MP's of different colours, done positively over the last 3 years?  In my opinion sweet FA as they do not wish to obey the will of the people. In their arrogance they think they know better!

I didn't like the man, but at least Boris is really trying hard to "make it happen" as the people wanted!

I'll remind you all again, under the British constitutional PARLIAMENT is sovereign, not the people. The people can vote for whatever they want, and this may or may not get parliament to do (or not do) something, but the constitutional buck stops with Parliament. There is no requirement that Parliament "obey the will of the people".

Yes the people voted for BREXIT, but parliament does NOT have to take any notice. Arguments to the contrary misunderstand the constitution. Now you can argue for constitutional change if you wish, but as things stand I suspect suspending Parliament against the wishes of Parliament is going to end up in the constitutional courts pretty quickly.

Absolutely correct, as I have stated before on this forum

However, all the MP's of Parliament and the Government take a huge risk politically, and career wise, if they do ignore the will of the people over a major national issue - such as BREXIT.  Just listen to what is being said on the streets by "the people" about the whole BREXIT affair, and now with these latest developments. The people, you and me, along with those normally lacking any interest in this subject, have had enough of the politicians and what is seen by them as 'anti-democratic' actions. What we will do remains of course to be seen, and talk of "a revolution" is probably unrealistic as we are British and do not go in for such things!  But, come any future General Election the fragmentation of political parties and British politics will be severe.  The complete lack of trust now is so obvious  Boris MAY rescue the Conservatives if he brings BREXIT home, but if not it will be curtains, but not only for him but Corbyn and Labour as well.

They will then know, along with many of their colleagues, what it means to take no notice of the electorate and destroy the trust of the people.

AS for the Constitution; yes, we have one but as already been said, in codified form, not one small written volume like the USA has.  The British one has been formed by thousands of changes of law, written down in many hundreds of documents that go back, effectively - if not before - to  The Magna Carta, the 1225 edition, then rolls on from that point through English, then British law enactments.

Also, unlike the USA written version, the British Constitution can be easily changed by Acts of Parliament, with thousands of 'revisions' over the centuries. Maybe the next Law to be enacted  should be to reform Parliament, getting rid of the House of Lords, reducing the number of MP's, and charging them with the defined legal responsibility to carry out the wishes of the majority of the electorate, with it becoming a criminal offence to not lodge your vote during National Elections and Referendums.

Radical? Yes, too true, and this country needs the changes now!

[Doctor Gollum]

Like this, you mean...

While the NSDAP performed better than it had in the elections of November 1932, it still won only 33% of the vote. By placing their rivals in jail and intimidating others not to take their seats, the Nazis went from a plurality to the majority. Just two weeks after election, the Enabling Act of 1933 effectively gave Hitler dictatorial power. Three more elections were held in Nazi Germany before the war. They all took the form of a one-question referendum, asking voters to approve a predetermined list of candidates composed exclusively of Nazis and nominally independent "guests" of the party.

[Nick W]

Like this, you mean...

While the NSDAP performed better than it had in the elections of November 1932, it still won only 33% of the vote. By placing their rivals in jail and intimidating others not to take their seats, the Nazis went from a plurality to the majority. Just two weeks after election, the Enabling Act of 1933 effectively gave Hitler dictatorial power. Three more elections were held in Nazi Germany before the war. They all took the form of a one-question referendum, asking voters to approve a predetermined list of candidates composed exclusively of Nazis and nominally independent "guests" of the party.

Hitler had aims and a plan.


Boris..........doesn't.


And now we're comparing Boris to Hitler

[STEMO]

I see the queen has finally commented. She said "He is not the Prime Minister, he's a very naughty boy ". 

[Doctor Gollum]

Like this, you mean...

While the NSDAP performed better than it had in the elections of November 1932, it still won only 33% of the vote. By placing their rivals in jail and intimidating others not to take their seats, the Nazis went from a plurality to the majority. Just two weeks after election, the Enabling Act of 1933 effectively gave Hitler dictatorial power. Three more elections were held in Nazi Germany before the war. They all took the form of a one-question referendum, asking voters to approve a predetermined list of candidates composed exclusively of Nazis and nominally independent "guests" of the party.

Hitler had aims and a plan.


Boris..........doesn't.


And now we're comparing Boris to Hitler

Not specifically, but it goes to show how referendums can be fielded as a tool of control or influence.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

I saw Comrade Corbyn speaking on TV earlier. He was complaining bitterly about this PM  who had only been put in place by a tiny fraction of the electorate.
Last week comrade Corbyn was trying to convince just over 300 people (a majority of MP,s) to throw out the present PM and install him in Downing street. 

[TheBoy]

If only the MPs had done their job properly including Theresa May we could have had a proper deal including free trade by now with no ridiculous backstop.

But this insignificant lump in the North Sea has no bargaining powers.  Thinking the EU were going to give what Boris Farage claimed really do need to take a look at themselves. Was never going to happen.

Much like that £349m a day to the NHS that was promised .

But as I've said many times before, the British Public are notoriously stupid, and will vote in the direction their newspaper/news channel suggests.

[Migalot]

But this insignificant lump in the North Sea has no bargaining powers.

Err....we're the fifth largest economy in the world. Not an insignificant lump. 

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

And apparently half the worlds population is desperate to live on this insignificant little lump. 

[TheBoy]

But this insignificant lump in the North Sea has no bargaining powers.

Err....we're the fifth largest economy in the world. Not an insignificant lump. 

Post war, only since the 80/90s.  Guess how we got there

[biggriffin]

And apparently half the worlds population is desperate to live on this insignificant little lump. 

But they seem to have suntans, are work shy, and want everything for nowt, basically jump on the gravy train, and fiddle what they can. Take take, no giveee back.

[TheBoy]

And apparently half the worlds population is desperate to live on this insignificant little lump. 

Well, if we stopped paying them, that would soon stop.  Or cull 'em.

[Migalot]

But this insignificant lump in the North Sea has no bargaining powers.

Err....we're the fifth largest economy in the world. Not an insignificant lump. 

Post war, only since the 80/90s.  Guess how we got there

Yes, but we're the fifth largest economy now – hence we have bargaining power.

Oh, and our position has nowt to do with the EU, though a fair bit to do with Europe.

[Lizzie Zoom]

Like this, you mean...

While the NSDAP performed better than it had in the elections of November 1932, it still won only 33% of the vote. By placing their rivals in jail and intimidating others not to take their seats, the Nazis went from a plurality to the majority. Just two weeks after election, the Enabling Act of 1933 effectively gave Hitler dictatorial power. Three more elections were held in Nazi Germany before the war. They all took the form of a one-question referendum, asking voters to approve a predetermined list of candidates composed exclusively of Nazis and nominally independent "guests" of the party.

Yes, and this is the very warning from history we should always remember. Our democracy is currently in danger, with radicalism a possible result.  The greatest threat to democracy is from democracy itself, as in Nazi Germany after 30th January 1933

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Currently, the greatest threat to our democracy comes from our elected representatives, who have no intention of implementing the very things they voted for and stood for election on, because the stupid people who elected them voted for the wrong thing when they were given a decision to make.
Which is why Boris is right to bypass them in the current circumstances.