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Re: Police Are "Useless" - Reasons Why The Public Think So
« Reply #15 on: 02 September 2019, 17:40:41 »

I don't like saying anything derogatory about fellow members but this one has really pushed my buttons.
My goodness Lizzie, I have never come across anyone so blinkered when it comes to the Police. I can't even be bothered to go through the reasons again and this thread is not particularly fair to serving officers who are members here, but my reasons have absolutely nothing to do with under funding/cutbacks whatever. It was first line officers that let us down, not the CPS/The force/Chief of Police etc. Respect should breed respect (both ways obviously) but if an individual officer shows lack of respect or CBA it brings the force down, as THAT is what people remember. There are a lot of decent coppers out there but they are being tarnished by the 'Useless' one's (your words not mine).
And contrary to what TB may think, my annoyance has absolutely nothing to do with speeding.  ;D
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« Reply #16 on: 02 September 2019, 18:39:29 »

I don't like saying anything derogatory about fellow members but this one has really pushed my buttons.
My goodness Lizzie, I have never come across anyone so blinkered when it comes to the Police. I can't even be bothered to go through the reasons again and this thread is not particularly fair to serving officers who are members here, but my reasons have absolutely nothing to do with under funding/cutbacks whatever. It was first line officers that let us down, not the CPS/The force/Chief of Police etc. Respect should breed this respect (both ways obviously) but if an individual officer shows lack of respect or CBA it brings the force down, as THAT is what people remember. There are a lot of decent coppers out there but they are being tarnished by the 'Useless' one's (your words not mine).
And contrary to what TB may think, my annoyance has absolutely nothing to do with speeding.  ;D

I am certainly not blinkered, that is why I try to assist them by giving my time and effort. I have witnessed very efficient and effective officers doing their job, but seen others who are certainly not so good! That is why I don't just sit back and moan but actually go out there and assist them in any small way I can as a responsible and honest member of the public who has also had family and friends "in the force". I am therefore prepared to voice my support, even if it causes me to be insulted. But you have your opinions, I have mine. So be it :y

 As for this thread not being fair to serving officers, how do you work that one out when I am trying to defend them and echo the feelings of at least the ones I meet?

They are, like everyone else not perfect, but the good, fully committed, officers who risk everything for us far out weigh those that do not.  ;)


EDIT: I have studied this and the Dave's Omega threads for how those officers "let us down" with an explanation. I can find no post. Where is it please? ;)


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Re: Police Are "Useless" - Reasons Why The Public Think So
« Reply #17 on: 02 September 2019, 18:57:49 »

Seen as I caused all this argument  :-[ by my other thread ...
My thoughts are that the police do a good job when they can !
they have more important things than worry about my 16 Y/O car being damaged
We need a lot more police and we need jobs like mental health etc dealt with by trained medical staff,not police.
we need much tougher sentences and deterrents handed out.
I've got the bumper back to where it should be, I'll need to paint it but it needed some paint anyway (though now there is a lot more work involved paint wise) had I claimed ,my car may have been wrote off ,where do I find another  :-\ (that is not a steaming festering rusty turd )My insurance for both cars would increase and probably my house insurance too.
back to the police , currently I have little faith as far as being protected ,purely because I know how busy they are dealing with the scum on the streets  :( so I have CCTV,alarm and other security measures etc to deter being a target for the scum

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Re: Police Are "Useless" - Reasons Why The Public Think So
« Reply #18 on: 02 September 2019, 19:17:50 »

Your insurance won't go up... You're claim is directly against theirs...  ::) which will rightly go up a lot, as they're the type of driver that doesn't inform their insurer of a fault accident.

And if it does go up next year, shop around. Which you should anyway ;)
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Re: Police Are "Useless" - Reasons Why The Public Think So
« Reply #19 on: 02 September 2019, 19:26:55 »

Peter Hitchens has some interesting views on the subject.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6993553/PETER-HITCHENS-time-view-police-just-like-failed-industries.html

I was amazed to read recently of a driver being prosecuted for being over the legal limit for Cocaine. How can there be a legal limit for Cocaine ?!
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« Reply #20 on: 02 September 2019, 19:32:46 »

Your insurance won't go up... You're claim is directly against theirs...  ::) which will rightly go up a lot, as they're the type of driver that doesn't inform their insurer of a fault accident.

And if it does go up next year, shop around. Which you should anyway ;)
your flagged on insurance database even if you claim against the guilty party (because effectively you and your car where in an area that a crash happened ,it's wrong to be penalized but that is what happens)
hence, I recently used My CCTV to get a bus company to replace Mrs Builder's wing mirror ,rather than claim  ;)
you have to declare the claim when renewing or getting quotes,so some companies won't quote you (once you tick the box to say you had an accident/made a claim, even though your completely innocent)
I shop around every year for insurance and I compare prices before buying anything , I'm a tight B*****d  ;D
 
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« Reply #21 on: 02 September 2019, 19:37:53 »

Peter Hitchens has some interesting views on the subject.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6993553/PETER-HITCHENS-time-view-police-just-like-failed-industries.html

I was amazed to read recently of a driver being prosecuted for being over the legal limit for Cocaine. How can there be a legal limit for Cocaine ?!
I have a laugh when I watch police interceptors/road wars etc
they say things like "your arrested for being over the prescribed limit for cocaine "
where is this Doctor that prescribes cocaine  ;D how much Charlie does he prescribe  :-X
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Re: Police Are "Useless" - Reasons Why The Public Think So
« Reply #22 on: 02 September 2019, 19:38:27 »

You haven't had an accident, and you haven't claimed against your insurance, ergo, neither has happened. ;)
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« Reply #23 on: 02 September 2019, 19:39:13 »

Seen as I caused all this argument  :-[ by my other thread ...
My thoughts are that the police do a good job when they can !
they have more important things than worry about my 16 Y/O car being damaged
We need a lot more police and we need jobs like mental health etc dealt with by trained medical staff,not police.
we need much tougher sentences and deterrents handed out.
I've got the bumper back to where it should be, I'll need to paint it but it needed some paint anyway (though now there is a lot more work involved paint wise) had I claimed ,my car may have been wrote off ,where do I find another  :-\ (that is not a steaming festering rusty turd )My insurance for both cars would increase and probably my house insurance too.
back to the police , currently I have little faith as far as being protected ,purely because I know how busy they are dealing with the scum on the streets  :( so I have CCTV,alarm and other security measures etc to deter being a target for the scum

Oh dear, no it is not you but me Dave! :o :o ;)

I just have dared,,yet again, to bring a serious discussion to the Forum, apart from those to do with cars! ::) ::)

Silly me, I should have known there are some very sensitive men who do not like a debate that challenges their feelings and beliefs from another viewpoint, without then getting all upset and emotional - worse than a women!! ::) ;D ;D ;D

Debates are going to "push buttons" , but there you go, such is life!  I'm just one who loves a debate like we had as a family, in work, at college and uni, especially when something is being said to just insult others with rude, generalising comments, then I insult them!! ::) ;D ;D

 :-X

You are right though Dave, slight damage is nothing compared to what is happening out there that the police are trying to deal with in priority order, but get real stick from us public (like they had from me over a case not that long ago!)! ;)
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Re: Police Are "Useless" - Reasons Why The Public Think So
« Reply #24 on: 02 September 2019, 19:44:41 »

Peter Hitchens has some interesting views on the subject.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6993553/PETER-HITCHENS-time-view-police-just-like-failed-industries.html

I was amazed to read recently of a driver being prosecuted for being over the legal limit for Cocaine. How can there be a legal limit for Cocaine ?!

 :y :y

And people think I'm so opinuated!! ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D ;)
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« Reply #25 on: 02 September 2019, 19:47:16 »

.......
EDIT: I have studied this and the Dave's Omega threads for how those officers "let us down" with an explanation. I can find no post. Where is it please? ;)

What the hell has this got to do with Dave's thread. You started a new thread asking why people thought the Police were useless and then recited an article about cutbacks and some Chief of Police knowing what the problem is with being thought of as useless.

I'll tell you just one example of why I think that, and I'd like your opinion on how you would defend their incompetence. I have posted about this before but people probably still think I'm anti Police.

A young girl leaves a party late at night. A disgruntled ex boyfriend attacks her with an iron bar. My son and daughter-in-law intervene and stop the attack. My son has his head cracked open when he turns his back on the attacker to check on the girl and ends up in hospital. The Police know the attacker (named by the girl) but won't go around his house that night as ' his mum is a nice lady and we don't need to disturb her so late at night'. As if that didn't annoy me, what happened next did. They went to his house the next morning, found the iron bar with skin and hair on and put it in an evidence bag and placed it in a Police van. It stayed there for long enough for the bag to sweat and the iron bar started to get surface rust on it. Police Officer knocks on our door and told us that the bar was now inadmissible in court. It turned out that the lad concerned was a druggie and that's how the coppers knew his mum was a 'nice lady'.

Lizzie, this is just one example of how I feel let down. It was an individual copper that wouldn't go to the house that night. It was an individual copper that put the iron bar in a van to sweat in the heat. It had nothing to do with 'The Force' or cutbacks.

Now can you understand why I get pissy when this subject comes up. If you really want to find the other reasons, just search OOF for 'Police' under my username. I'm not the only one either, many people on here have voiced their own personal experiences.
As for my comment on ex or serving officers, I didn't want it to become a copper kicking thread, as that can be what they appear to be once people voice their own experiences.
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« Reply #26 on: 02 September 2019, 19:49:18 »

You haven't had an accident, and you haven't claimed against your insurance, ergo, neither has happened. ;)
Indeed
I never drove anywhere yesterday  and I did not crash my Omega either :-X
I was posting a reply about CCTV and dog poo  ;D
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« Reply #27 on: 02 September 2019, 20:03:26 »

Seen as I caused all this argument  :-[ by my other thread ...
My thoughts are that the police do a good job when they can !
they have more important things than worry about my 16 Y/O car being damaged
We need a lot more police and we need jobs like mental health etc dealt with by trained medical staff,not police.
we need much tougher sentences and deterrents handed out.
I've got the bumper back to where it should be, I'll need to paint it but it needed some paint anyway (though now there is a lot more work involved paint wise) had I claimed ,my car may have been wrote off ,where do I find another  :-\ (that is not a steaming festering rusty turd )My insurance for both cars would increase and probably my house insurance too.
back to the police , currently I have little faith as far as being protected ,purely because I know how busy they are dealing with the scum on the streets  :( so I have CCTV,alarm and other security measures etc to deter being a target for the scum

There was a documented case of someones insurance going up purely because they dobbed in a neighbour for , if I remember correctly, driving under the influence of alcohol.  So It wouldnt surprise if your insurance also goes up even though the other party was at fault.

Shame he/she didn't do the decent thing and stop. As I said earlier society has changed and no doubt their  attitude whilst driving off was :

Stuff em, shouldn't have been parked there
He will be insured
I am too important to stop
Police wont be bothered

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« Reply #28 on: 02 September 2019, 20:21:51 »

Seen as I caused all this argument  :-[ by my other thread ...
My thoughts are that the police do a good job when they can !
they have more important things than worry about my 16 Y/O car being damaged
We need a lot more police and we need jobs like mental health etc dealt with by trained medical staff,not police.
we need much tougher sentences and deterrents handed out.
I've got the bumper back to where it should be, I'll need to paint it but it needed some paint anyway (though now there is a lot more work involved paint wise) had I claimed ,my car may have been wrote off ,where do I find another  :-\ (that is not a steaming festering rusty turd )My insurance for both cars would increase and probably my house insurance too.
back to the police , currently I have little faith as far as being protected ,purely because I know how busy they are dealing with the scum on the streets  :( so I have CCTV,alarm and other security measures etc to deter being a target for the scum

There was a documented case of someones insurance going up purely because they dobbed in a neighbour for , if I remember correctly, driving under the influence of alcohol.  So It wouldnt surprise if your insurance also goes up even though the other party was at fault.

Shame he/she didn't do the decent thing and stop. As I said earlier society has changed and no doubt their  attitude whilst driving off was :

Stuff em, shouldn't have been parked there
He will be insured
I am too important to stop
Police wont be bothered
I'd be mortified if I hit someone's car ,even if it was an older car
I'd find the owner and do the decent thing (probably pay cash for any repair etc)


there seems to be a massive increase in crime,theft,vandalism and selfish people who have no respect for other people's belongings or the law
If I did anything wrong when I was young ,I got a good smack,
one generation on ,that is frowned upon ,considered child abuse
one generation on ,crime,theft,vandalism rockets
coincidence  :-\

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« Reply #29 on: 02 September 2019, 20:23:29 »

.......
EDIT: I have studied this and the Dave's Omega threads for how those officers "let us down" with an explanation. I can find no post. Where is it please? ;)

What the hell has this got to do with Dave's thread. You started a new thread asking why people thought the Police were useless and then recited an article about cutbacks and some Chief of Police knowing what the problem is with being thought of as useless.

I'll tell you just one example of why I think that, and I'd like your opinion on how you would defend their incompetence. I have posted about this before but people probably still think I'm anti Police.

A young girl leaves a party late at night. A disgruntled ex boyfriend attacks her with an iron bar. My son and daughter-in-law intervene and stop the attack. My son has his head cracked open when he turns his back on the attacker to check on the girl and ends up in hospital. The Police know the attacker (named by the girl) but won't go around his house that night as ' his mum is a nice lady and we don't need to disturb her so late at night'. As if that didn't annoy me, what happened next did. They went to his house the next morning, found the iron bar with skin and hair on and put it in an evidence bag and placed it in a Police van. It stayed there for long enough for the bag to sweat and the iron bar started to get surface rust on it. Police Officer knocks on our door and told us that the bar was now inadmissible in court. It turned out that the lad concerned was a druggie and that's how the coppers knew his mum was a 'nice lady'.

Lizzie, this is just one example of how I feel let down. It was an individual copper that wouldn't go to the house that night. It was an individual copper that put the iron bar in a van to sweat in the heat. It had nothing to do with 'The Force' or cutbacks.

Now can you understand why I get pissy when this subject comes up. If you really want to find the other reasons, just search OOF for 'Police' under my username. I'm not the only one either, many people on here have voiced their own personal experiences.
As for my comment on ex or serving officers, I didn't want it to become a copper kicking thread, as that can be what they appear to be once people voice their own experiences.

Because that is where the origins to the current discussion about police response, or non response started ;)

Then: no, I explained a serious case that I was involved in where it was seen "the police" did not react in the right way, then the CPS were shown to be adverse to risk. I did not recite anything and did not say anything like "some Chief of Police knowing what the problem is with being thought of as useless" just a Chief Constable stating the justice system is broken, never admitting to them being "useless" ::) ::)

Now YZ250, let's start again........especially now you have fully explained your reasons why you are dissatisfied after being let down by the police (and I suggest by the CPS given what you say about the matter of the iron bar) which I greatly sympathise with. I would be pissed off as well!

You see your case it not too dissimilar to the one I explained. Certain facts about police and CPS perceived failures are linked. You, and I also agree that it is wrong to out and out slag off the police, and that is why I started this thread to outline what are perceived to be the problems. Indeed, you and I recognise that many officers do a good, if not great job, although actually, in practice, that is so frequently not seen by the general public. Often all that goes on behind the scenes is hidden.

But, I repeat, it is the numbers that can so often be the difference to what is perceived as a great response, to being the reverse.  When a police control room have six, if they are lucky, police local patrols, with some being single manned, covering a huge chunk of a county, what can they do when there are separate knife attacks, physical assaults, a domestic with mental health issues, an armed robbery, and a car incident, with no one injured, oh, and then a report of a burglary in progress? They have to prioritise. Then some members of the public will be left impressed, others will be very disappointed and angry. Your understandable beef about the officer not going into the house MAY be one of those cases were he was single crewed - actually due to the cutbacks - and with no back up could not safely enter the property, and if they knew they could, safely, go there the next day, that is what that copper did. Health & Safety does affect the police and emergency services as I have hinted about, and they must not knowingly put their lives in danger, or anyone else's including fellow officers, although many routinely do as in the Reading incident :'(

As for evidence gathering, that up until recently, could be often down to one PC who would be commanded to investigate a case, but was only able to do so when on duty. Now, I have been assured, the case like you mentioned, and the case I described, would be dealt with by a DS with a team, under what is called a "New Horizon" policy. With the extra 20k officers, once they are fully on stream in about two years time, things should get better. ;)

So I think you and I are not talking at cross purposes! 8) 8) :D ;)

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