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[terry paget]

2.5 petrol manual estate
Early yesterday morning I drove my 20 year old Omega 140 miles at motorway speeds, using lights and heater, and arrived at Enfield with my energy store still 3/4 full. Try that in a battery car.

[LC0112G]

Drove mine Yeovil to Mildenhall (google says 213 miles), then Mildenhall to Waddington (91 miles) then Waddington to Fairford (137 miles) and finally Fairford back to Yeovil (86 miles). Started off with a full tank, and put about 45L in when the low fuel warning lamp came on in Stow-on-the-Wold. Set off at 6am, and home by 7pm. Still got about one third of a tank in it this morning (say 20L).

So around 530 miles - mostly motorway/dual carriageway, and mostly high speed.

One B-52, one C-17, 7 Israeli F-15, 1 Israeli C-130, 9 German Typhoons, 4 Italian Typhoons, a few USAF Tankers, Herks, V-22's and RAF bit's and bobs. Sadly no B-2's though. 

Can't do that in a milk float.

[Doctor Gollum]

Well, you could, but you would have stopped for the night. Twice.

My first 3.2 (estate with 70 litre tank, saloon is 65 litres ) regularly did Horsham to Potter Heigham and back along with a couple of runs into Norwich or Wroxham on a single tank, typically 380-420 miles of pretty mixed driving

Equally, hammer down, and range would be south of 250 miles

For comparison, currently getting 360-390 out of the trolley, (54 litre tank).

Interesting mix of planes there

[Lizzie Zoom]

Drove mine Yeovil to Mildenhall (google says 213 miles), then Mildenhall to Waddington (91 miles) then Waddington to Fairford (137 miles) and finally Fairford back to Yeovil (86 miles). Started off with a full tank, and put about 45L in when the low fuel warning lamp came on in Stow-on-the-Wold. Set off at 6am, and home by 7pm. Still got about one third of a tank in it this morning (say 20L).

So around 530 miles - mostly motorway/dual carriageway, and mostly high speed.

One B-52, one C-17, 7 Israeli F-15, 1 Israeli C-130, 9 German Typhoons, 4 Italian Typhoons, a few USAF Tankers, Herks, V-22's and RAF bit's and bobs. Sadly no B-2's though. 

Can't do that in a milk float.

You obviously have had a great time!

[biggriffin]

 550L about 1900ks

[LC0112G]

Drove mine Yeovil to Mildenhall (google says 213 miles), then Mildenhall to Waddington (91 miles) then Waddington to Fairford (137 miles) and finally Fairford back to Yeovil (86 miles). Started off with a full tank, and put about 45L in when the low fuel warning lamp came on in Stow-on-the-Wold. Set off at 6am, and home by 7pm. Still got about one third of a tank in it this morning (say 20L).

So around 530 miles - mostly motorway/dual carriageway, and mostly high speed.

One B-52, one C-17, 7 Israeli F-15, 1 Israeli C-130, 9 German Typhoons, 4 Italian Typhoons, a few USAF Tankers, Herks, V-22's and RAF bit's and bobs. Sadly no B-2's though. 

Can't do that in a milk float.

You obviously have had a great time!

If you know where to look (and I've given you more than a bit of a clue!) then all the above are visible at locations in the UK for the next couple of weeks. Yes including three B-2's - which I'll have another crack at on Wednesday on my way to the Bristol ABS meet.

Point is, how is this sort of trip ever going to be possible with battery powered cars? It's going to need at least one, probably 2 full charges en-route. For some reason the RAF/USAF haven't yet fitted fast chargers around the perimeter fences of their airfields, so I'd have to hunt down the nearest one, possibly wait 20-30 minutes for it to become free, then 20-30 minutes to 'fill up'.

Hybrids I can see working. Don't have to be Petrol or Diesel - LPG or at a push Hydrogen is entirely possible although there is virtually zero public distribution currently. Pure battery is pure fantasy except for sub 100 mile round trip commuting.

[Lizzie Zoom]

Drove mine Yeovil to Mildenhall (google says 213 miles), then Mildenhall to Waddington (91 miles) then Waddington to Fairford (137 miles) and finally Fairford back to Yeovil (86 miles). Started off with a full tank, and put about 45L in when the low fuel warning lamp came on in Stow-on-the-Wold. Set off at 6am, and home by 7pm. Still got about one third of a tank in it this morning (say 20L).

So around 530 miles - mostly motorway/dual carriageway, and mostly high speed.

One B-52, one C-17, 7 Israeli F-15, 1 Israeli C-130, 9 German Typhoons, 4 Italian Typhoons, a few USAF Tankers, Herks, V-22's and RAF bit's and bobs. Sadly no B-2's though. 

Can't do that in a milk float.

You obviously have had a great time!

If you know where to look (and I've given you more than a bit of a clue!) then all the above are visible at locations in the UK for the next couple of weeks. Yes including three B-2's - which I'll have another crack at on Wednesday on my way to the Bristol ABS meet.

Point is, how is this sort of trip ever going to be possible with battery powered cars? It's going to need at least one, probably 2 full charges en-route. For some reason the RAF/USAF haven't yet fitted fast chargers around the perimeter fences of their airfields, so I'd have to hunt down the nearest one, possibly wait 20-30 minutes for it to become free, then 20-30 minutes to 'fill up'.

Hybrids I can see working. Don't have to be Petrol or Diesel - LPG or at a push Hydrogen is entirely possible although there is virtually zero public distribution currently. Pure battery is pure fantasy except for sub 100 mile round trip commuting.

Not even at Fairford where so many go to watch superb aircraft - or at least did when I used to go there with my ex! 

 Some great memories!

[STEMO]

2.5 petrol manual estate
Early yesterday morning I drove my 20 year old Omega 140 miles at motorway speeds, using lights and heater, and arrived at Enfield with my energy store still 3/4 full. Try that in a battery car.

I'd have done on 1/8th of a tank. Try that in a petrol.

[Kevin Wood]

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Point is, how is this sort of trip ever going to be possible with battery powered cars? It's going to need at least one, probably 2 full charges en-route. For some reason the RAF/USAF haven't yet fitted fast chargers around the perimeter fences of their airfields, so I'd have to hunt down the nearest one, possibly wait 20-30 minutes for it to become free, then 20-30 minutes to 'fill up'.

Hybrids I can see working. Don't have to be Petrol or Diesel - LPG or at a push Hydrogen is entirely possible although there is virtually zero public distribution currently. Pure battery is pure fantasy except for sub 100 mile round trip commuting.

Yep, this is what I keep saying. In a couple of weeks I've got a similar trip to do - with a 1500 kg glider trailer on the back.

Have they made a leccy car that's even capable of towing yet? None of the hybrids I considered are (people who tow buy chelsea tractors these days, apparently. Not me!).

[YZ250]

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Yep, this is what I keep saying. In a couple of weeks I've got a similar trip to do - with a 1500 kg glider trailer on the back.

Have they made a leccy car that's even capable of towing yet? None of the hybrids I considered are (people who tow buy chelsea tractors these days, apparently. Not me!).

Tesla Model X SUV.    It has a decent kerb weight as well, but is quite expensive.    Hauling a van/trailer about would seriously hit the range, although it still pulls like a train with a van on the back apparently. 

[Marks DTM Calib]

One B-52, one C-17, 7 Israeli F-15, 1 Israeli C-130, 9 German Typhoons, 4 Italian Typhoons, a few USAF Tankers, Herks, V-22's and RAF bit's and bobs. Sadly no B-2's though. 

Can't do that in a milk float.

Not even at Fairford where so many go to watch superb aircraft - or at least did when I used to go there with my ex! 

 Some great memories!

You would tick the vast majority of them off at Fairford in recent years, plus of course more of various vintages (Harrier there this year displaying, stealth bomber fly past last year etc etc)

[Doctor Gollum]

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Yep, this is what I keep saying. In a couple of weeks I've got a similar trip to do - with a 1500 kg glider trailer on the back.

Have they made a leccy car that's even capable of towing yet? None of the hybrids I considered are (people who tow buy chelsea tractors these days, apparently. Not me!).

Tesla Model X SUV.    It has a decent kerb weight as well, but is quite expensive.    Hauling a van/trailer about would seriously hit the range, although it still pulls like a train with a van on the back apparently. 

Not to mention the £130k price tag

[aaronjb]

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Yep, this is what I keep saying. In a couple of weeks I've got a similar trip to do - with a 1500 kg glider trailer on the back.

Have they made a leccy car that's even capable of towing yet? None of the hybrids I considered are (people who tow buy chelsea tractors these days, apparently. Not me!).

Tesla Model X SUV.    It has a decent kerb weight as well, but is quite expensive.    Hauling a van/trailer about would seriously hit the range, although it still pulls like a train with a van on the back apparently. 

Not to mention the £130k price tag

Pretty comparable to a similarly specced and performant RRS/FF RR/Cayenne/etc, though, I imagine..

[Doctor Gollum]

A quick rummage suggests £84k start, so I guess that by the time you have scatterbombed the option list, you are probably going to be well north of £100k...

That said, second hand you really are at the mercy of the original purchaser... I know of an S320L (£53k) that had pretty much every single option ticked except parking sensors... A £300 saving on a car that ended up at nearly £78k

[Viral_Jim]

Point is, how is this sort of trip ever going to be possible with battery powered cars? It's going to need at least one, probably 2 full charges en-route. For some reason the RAF/USAF haven't yet fitted fast chargers around the perimeter fences of their airfields, so I'd have to hunt down the nearest one, possibly wait 20-30 minutes for it to become free, then 20-30 minutes to 'fill up'.

With a model 3 long range I'd estimate you would need two 20 minute stops  and one 10-15 minutes stop, this would be using superchargers the OP passed on his drive around. You can cut these times nearly in half once the upgraded supercharger network is rolled out over the next 18-24m and I am yet to see anyone queuing at a tesla charging station. So you're looking at adding an hour to what is a pretty rare usage case. In the main I have found that having an EV has cut down the time I spend refuelling, not increased it. 

Mainstream ev's have been in existence less than a decade (my personal definition would be that mainstream ev's started with the nissan leaf in 2010). In that time the range has tripled and performance has gone from a joke to rivalling the quickest mainstream ICE cars. *Ever* is a long time, but I think if you give it 10 years more you'll see 300 real world miles and 250kw charging as standard meaning that journey would involve a couple of 5-10minute quick charges. Its also worth noting that the OP clearly hasn't counted the (apparently) many hours spent maintaining his ICE car, which would not be spent on an EV.

Hybrids I can see working. Don't have to be Petrol or Diesel - LPG or at a push Hydrogen is entirely possible although there is virtually zero public distribution currently. Pure battery is pure fantasy except for sub 100 mile round trip commuting.

Why? My golf is already outdated tech and my daily commute is either 110 or 170 miles round trip and I can guarantee I spend less time refuelling my car than anyone with an ICE vehicle doing the same 12000 miles I've covered since March. I get to work and spend 10-15s plugging it in and maybe 5s plugging it in when I get home at night.

With the latest generation of cars, I could save myself that 10-15s at work, at which point id spend 25-30s a week on refuelling. Even going to a petrol station in the dead of night or early morning (my former preferred time) it took me that long to have my credit card details checked by the self service machine, much less pump the diesel.