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[Sir Tigger KC]

Anyone staying up for the debate tonight then? 

Latest I've read is that Trump's team have denied a request from Biden's people, to split the 90 minute debate into 3 half hour segments with breaks in between, and Biden's team have refused to allow Trump's people inspect Biden for ear pieces. 

If Biden wins, and he does indeed prove to be senile, then perhaps the democrats could replace him with that 'half white' fella.

Nah he was born in Kenya.....  apparently! 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Anyone staying up for the debate tonight then? 

Latest I've read is that Trump's team have denied a request from Biden's people, to split the 90 minute debate into 3 half hour segments with breaks in between, and Biden's team have refused to allow Trump's people inspect Biden for ear pieces. 

If Biden wins, and he does indeed prove to be senile, then perhaps the democrats could replace him with that 'half white' fella.

Nah he was born in Kenya.....  apparently! 

I remember Trump insisting that Obama was not born in the good old US of A.

[Viral_Jim]

And complaining about the amount of tax he (hadn't) paid. Ironically. 

[Doctor Gollum]

It was reported in March that Trump had donated the bulk of his presidential salary since taking office.

But why let that ruin a good argument. He was also shown to have paid considerably more tax that Hilary and Bernie combined in the run up to the 2016 election

This NYT article has arguably been contrived to distract from the fact that the Biden family has financial ties to Ukraine, China and Russia... Not to mention the fact that the Democrats don't have a single policy beyond inciting anarchy whenever they don't get their own way.

The debates will be carnage.

[Doctor Gollum]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/29/us/trump-750-taxes.html

It transpires, that he didn't actually need to pay the $750, not that that would ever be the headline.

[Doctor Gollum]

Well, that was interesting...

It would be fair to say that Biden was the more statesman like in the way that he respected the format, but that's about the only positive thing that I can say as his responses were all over the place.

Trump was his usual soundbitey self, and whilst he wasn't exactly gracious in his conduct, he was much quicker and more direct in his responses.

Obviously he didn't do so well with some of the questions, but, then neither did Biden even if for different reasons.

I think all in all that Trump came out ahead as, inspite of Batflu, he has tangibly achieved more in his first term than Obama/Biden managed in two terms and whilst his focus is on the economy and protection of American interests, Biden is only offering higher taxes to offset the socialist money tree. Both are very different... Biden is about as ineffectual as Charles Kennedy, and Trump struggles to separate his personal ideas from those of his office but this is probably because he isn't a traditional career politician.

The next debate between Pence and Harris should be interesting, as I suspect Harris will fare very badly.

And incidentally, according to Biden, Batflu is racist.

[Sir Tigger KC]

I've seen a few snippets and I think I agree with the CNN reporter who live on TV described the debate as a shitshow!   

[Varche]

A very sobering prospect. These two men are the best that a huge country like the USA can put forward to "lead the free world".

Oh and don't think it doesn't matter. It does have a huge impact in Europe what these gun toting, serial liers say and do.

[New POD]

In elections the people get the leader they deserve.

The people of the USA currently have the leader they deserve.

Nobody deserved Sadiq Khan or Ken Livingstone

Just because you don't respect the elected choice doesn't preclude you from respecting the process of democratic process...

I don't live in or near London (or go to it if I can help it).  It's like a different world, that there South East. We talk the same language, but live different lives. I think London too, gets the people in charge is deserves. If you don't like it, you can stand yourself (I assume that's still allowed ?) .

I honestly think the problem with politics is the political parties.  I reckon they should be shoved off a cliff. Party politics is the problem.

Everyone should be an "independent", and that would force people to work together.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

I've seen a few snippets and I think I agree with the CNN reporter who live on TV described the debate as a shitshow!   

Yes...very unpleasant exchanges.

I don't think they like each other very much.

[Doctor Gollum]

The biggest problem that Trump has, is that he was such an unlikely candidate, people still cannot believe that he is actually the elected President.

People, especially old school politicians, simply don't respect either him or the office he holds. And regardless of what you might think about Trump as a person, it is their (the Democrats) own fault that he was ever a candidate, let alone elected. If, as it seems, they hold the office and the country in such contempt, then they have no business even pretending to run for office... Which explains why Joe Biden is running... It's his last hurrah and will be a mediocre showing to end his mediocre political career. Both parties will have four years to formulate a plan to move forward after Trumps second term.

[Doctor Gollum]

How it should have been done...

https://youtu.be/Z97_qDsrqgU

[biggriffin]

I know I'm getting, hissed off with hearing about the bloody spankys election.. I couldn't give a hoot, it's in America.  But I suppose it fills pages of toilet paper, so they don't have to report on the real news in our own country..

[Viral_Jim]

People, especially old school politicians, simply don't respect either him or the office he holds.

Even if that is true, it's hardly a Dem phenomenon, as for respecting the office, Trump is on record as saying he won't be leaving the Whitehouse if he loses. Hardly respecting the process no? Or should only winners respect the office they hold?

As for the person, it's hard to respect someone who mocks minorities and the disabled, uses his office for personal gain and tacitly supports far right groups. His persona is simply that if a bully whose power and influence has taken him a very long way. On what basis does that demand respect?

[Doctor Gollum]

My point was that Trump has never been given any credit for being POTUS, either by the opposition or the mainstream media. Regardless of whether you like or agree with him as an individual, he IS POTUS, and was democratically elected as such. Four years in and you would think from the outrage that he walked in from The Apprentice yesterday afternoon. Biden is just as shitty a person as Trump... his idea of racial inclusion is to turn up at a Hispanic Memorial, announce that he likes Latinos and play Despacito from his phone and get back on his plane back to his basement... https://youtu.be/0Jd6gC1zuIA

Trumps comments on staying in office regardless of the outcome are based on the presumption that the Democrat extreme left will try anything to disrupt either the count or the electoral process as a whole, thereby rendering the outcome questionable if not nullifying it altogether. Whilst this may well be a slightly paranoid point of view, there is an active investigation into Ilhan Omar and other far left activists for wide scale voter fraud. In any case, it is accepted that the final count won't be in until well after election day thanks to Democrat held states allowing postal votes to be accepted upto a week after the date.

There is a process to be followed should the election result be contested by either side with Congress ultimately making the decision as per the 20th Amendment...https://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-happens-if-the-president-doesnt-accept-the-election-results/  The result has previously been constested on a handful of occasions, in one case resolution was barely 48 hours before Inauguration Day