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[Sir Tigger KC]

Reportedly Boris is set to bring forward the date from which the sale of new cars with an internal combustion engine are banned to 2030. 

That's not long and what will they do about the second hand car market as I can see people hanging on to their ICE cars rather than switching to an EV.  Punitive taxes? 

On the other hand EV technology has come along in leap and bounds in the last decade, so who knows what EV's will be like in 10 years time, but what about the infrastructure? 

Coincidentally (or maybe not) shares of Chinese EV manufactures rocketed last week, so maybe that's what they have planned for us and we'll all be trundling round in little Chinese electric shitboxes!    

[STEMO]

Hybrids have an internal combustion engine, they're not banned in 2030. Get a newish diesel in 2029 and it will do you till 2040. I reckon there'll be enough of them around to keep fuel stations open.

[Rangie]

I'm really looking forward to getting one 😅

[STEMO]

Plus.....a lot can happen between now and then. Like, for instance, the government realising that the 30% of people who don't have offstreet parking will be 'A bit of how's yer father'ed unless they (the government) spend billions on infrastructure. I'm definitely not too worried.

[ronnyd]

Seems a crafty way of getting people off the road, as many cannot afford to buy a brand new car. There are not enough used EV,s/Hybrids around to satisfy the market either. Can't really see me driving much after 2030 anyway as i will be 85. . But you never know.

[dave the builder]

we don't have the infrastructure to cope at a local level
much of the DNO's cable in the streets is 50+ years old and overloaded
when rolling out the smart meters they are downgrading many cut outs(the DNO's HRC main fuse where the electric enters homes) from 100 Amp to 60 or 80 Amps
Smart meters where rolled out so national grid could understand demand better , by 2020 the plan was for every household to have smart meters ,that didn't happen

A massive infrastructure upgrade costing billions to dig up and replace everything will see gridlock and most people unable to use cars anyway

the green credentials don't stack up, solar on every house to charge the cars batteries to supplement power generation  and reduce load on DNO's local cable in the street requires raping the planet for raw materials and massive amounts of energy to process it , all done by our friends in China ,who have just given the world a right good f***ing which Chinese Virus 

BUT
who's going to listen to anything Boris has to say now anyway 

his days are numbered 
 

[Nick W]

Seems a crafty way of getting people off the road, as many cannot afford to buy a brand new car. There are not enough used EV,s/Hybrids around to satisfy the market either. Can't really see me driving much after 2030 anyway as I will be 85. . But you never know.

They're saying new cars will have to be at least partially electric. As most new model ranges already include hybrids, this is a storm in a teacup.


While the number of pure electric vehicles will increase, hybrids will still need to be fuelled so existing infrastructure can cater for them and older ICE/hybrid vehicles. Unlike a filling station, public charging points can be installed anywhere there is power which is already happening - expect to see them appearing in all sorts of locations. The operators of filling stations would love to switch to cheap to install and run chargers rather than the massively expensive tanks, pumps and other equipment they currently need.


The country's future generation and supply requirements are already a problem without a large increase in EVs.


Reducing our dependence on individually owned vehicles is the only practical way of reducing their emissions, but this is such an unpalatable truth that any politician who mentions it will immediately kill their career.


As for the availability of older vehicles, look around you: they've become so expensive to maintain and repair that many today's twenty year old cars are one bill away from being scrapped. Manufacturers have long implied that they design for a seven year working life!

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

So plenty of perfectly useable ICE powered cars around until 2045 - 2050.
Ive never bought a new car and doubt I want to in 2030 when I will be 71.

[STEMO]

So plenty of perfectly useable ICE powered cars around until 2045 - 2050.
Ive never bought a new car and doubt I want to in 2030 when I will be 71.

You're only a pup, lad 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Plus.....a lot can happen between now and then. Like, for instance, the government realising that the 30% of people who don't have offstreet parking will be 'A bit of how's yer father'ed unless they (the government) spend billions on infrastructure. I'm definitely not too worried.

Yes....it will be government policy until it isn't.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

So plenty of perfectly useable ICE powered cars around until 2045 - 2050.
Ive never bought a new car and doubt I want to in 2030 when I will be 71.

You're only a pup, lad 

We both may well be pushing up daisies by then. 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

If all cars do become electric, and therefore become an appliance like a washing machine, I will look forward to when all cars become self-driving.

Yes.....I know we have to save the planet but can't that be achieved by sticking a cork up the arse of all the cows.  *


* The same applies to northern whippet owners.

[Rangie]

We can walk into town in 15 minutes + we will be 76 & 77 years of age by then so my petrolhead days would surely have gone by then !  Bothered not..😄

[STEMO]

If all cars do become electric, and therefore become an appliance like a washing machine, I will look forward to when all cars become self-driving.

Yes.....I know we have to save the planet but can't that be achieved by sticking a cork up the arse of all the cows.  *


* The same applies to northern whippet owners.

Our little island contributes something like 1% of global emissions, so it's no more than gesture politics.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

If all cars do become electric, and therefore become an appliance like a washing machine, I will look forward to when all cars become self-driving.

Yes.....I know we have to save the planet but can't that be achieved by sticking a cork up the arse of all the cows.  *


* The same applies to northern whippet owners.

Our little island contributes something like 1% of global emissions, so it's no more than gesture politics.

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I shall need to check. 1% is SFA.