Omega Owners Forum

Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
Advanced search  

News:

Please play nicely.  No one wants to listen/read a keyboard warriors rants....

Pages: 1 2 [3] 4 5  All   Go Down

Author Topic: Covid-19 was released deliberately to try to force the 'great reset'...  (Read 744 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Viral_Jim

  • Omega Baron
  • ******
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Kidderminster
  • Posts: 3546
    • Swedish soot chucker
    • View Profile

If indeed he does exist, he'd better be on notice, cause I want a word when my time is up!     ;D
Logged

Doctor Gollum

  • Omega Queen
  • ********
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • In a colds and darks puddleses
  • Posts: 19315
  • If you can't eat them, join them...
    • Feetses.
    • View Profile

To answer the business point, closing non essential business and travel prevents those non essential business from functioning as they cannot turnover stock/cover costs. Borrowing to cover this is a bad idea in the short term, albeit accepted practice, and suicide as a long term solution. Also consider that people are basically forced to buy non essential items online whether they used to or not, and there is a very real possibility that the high street will be dead alot sooner than if we hadn't been locked down.

Also, most high street outlets are either chains and part of much larger companies or small independent businesses. The larger companies have the ability to centralise and go online permanently and use Amazon/Alibaba as their sole outlets. On the face of it, small businesses can also do this, but internet competition is significantly harder than on the high street, so eventually they can't bring in the revenue.
Logged
Onanists always think outside the box.

STEMO

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Posts: 670
    • Astra 2.0 diesel
    • View Profile

To answer the business point, closing non essential business and travel prevents those non essential business from functioning as they cannot turnover stock/cover costs. Borrowing to cover this is a bad idea in the short term, albeit accepted practice, and suicide as a long term solution. Also consider that people are basically forced to buy non essential items online whether they used to or not, and there is a very real possibility that the high street will be dead alot sooner than if we hadn't been locked down.

Also, most high street outlets are either chains and part of much larger companies or small independent businesses. The larger companies have the ability to centralise and go online permanently and use Amazon/Alibaba as their sole outlets. On the face of it, small businesses can also do this, but internet competition is significantly harder than on the high street, so eventually they can't bring in the revenue.
Right. What was the question again?  ;D
Logged

Sir Tigger QC

  • Omega Queen
  • ********
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • West Dorset
  • Posts: 18339
    • 2 Fords
    • View Profile

If indeed he does exist, he'd better be on notice, cause I want a word when my time is up!     ;D

What if you find yourself having a word with the other fella?  :o  ;D
Logged
RIP Paul 'Luvvie' Lovejoy

JC is not The Messiah, he's a very naughty boy!!

Viral_Jim

  • Omega Baron
  • ******
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Kidderminster
  • Posts: 3546
    • Swedish soot chucker
    • View Profile

TBf, he's probably more up my particular straße. I always understood that you go to hell for the people and heaven for the weather  ;)
Logged

LC0112G

  • Omega Knight
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • 0
  • Posts: 1604
    • View Profile

Hmmmmm.....tin foil hat, anyone? ;D

Why have they exaggerated the death statistics then?  ???
You say they have, I see no evidence. Neither am I going to look, because I have better things to worry about.

OK it's just me that thinks it's odd that they are counting people who died of any reason as a Covid death if they had had a positive test at least 28 days before.  :-X

But why are they doing this?  ???

If you get diagnosed with cancer, but get run over by a bus a fortnight later I'm damned sure your death certificate wouldn't have cancer as the cause of death.  ::)

You say they're exaggerating the figures - I think they're underestimates. The ONS has a whole slew of information, here :

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending6november2020

But this is the most convincing to me :

https://www.ons.gov.uk/visualisations/dvc1058/fig3/index.html?initialWidth=700&childId=57b-4dc0-9e9f-2b88f80cb6a0&parentTitle=Deaths%20registered%20weekly%20in%20England%20and%20Wales%2C%20provisional%20-%20Office%20for%20National%20Statistics&parentUrl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ons.gov.uk%2Fpeoplepopulationandcommunity%2Fbirthsdeathsandmarriages%2Fdeaths%2Fbulletins%2Fdeathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional%2Fweekending6november2020

Now obviously it's possible to be run over by a bus whilst failing a CV19 test 27 days ago, and you'll be counted in the 28 day stats. But the excess deaths figures so far this year are in the region of 70K, versus the current died within 28 days figure of 55K ish.  So if anything the 'headline' figure is an underestimate, unless you have some other explanation for the excess deaths.

That's not to say I agree with lockdown, or throwing hundreds of billions at projects intended to defy Darwinism.
Logged

B52

  • Junior Member
  • **
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Glasgow
  • Posts: 152
  • 02 MV6
    • View Profile

FWIW my take -

1. Follow the money - who would gain (not themselves lose a huge amount from existing financial and social structures) by doing it? Particularly where there are less complex options available.
2. How many people would be needed to sustain it, and not expose it for their own benefit?

The same points could probably apply to the US election.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor

Entities should not be multiplied without necessity
Logged

Doctor Gollum

  • Omega Queen
  • ********
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • In a colds and darks puddleses
  • Posts: 19315
  • If you can't eat them, join them...
    • Feetses.
    • View Profile

To try to better present my case for the economic theory, try this:

'The State' boils down to three significant parts: Government, Banks and Private global companies (Producers) that produce the bulk of our consumption (Amazon, Facebook, Unilever, Proctor and Gamble etc).

As George Orwell pointed out in Animal Farm, ignoring the addendum "But some are more equal than others" as it's an inconvenient truth to the Leftist elite, the foundation of a socialist system is that everyone is the same. This can be tailored to any given audience. For example, you might tell a subsistence farmer that they could learn to read so that they might get a better job so that they could buy their food instead of growing it; or you might tell a minority blue collar worker that they could easily obtain credit in order to buy that shiny car or SUV like their boss has or more fundamentally a nicer house; or the majority white collar worker that they could spend all their free cash buying stuff. Ultimately, wherever you are in the grand scheme of life you could always aspire to have more. What they don't tell you is the price of enslavement to the system.

On  the face of it, this all sounds very Capitalist, and kind of where society is at currently. However the upper middle class and more frugal lower middle class and brighter blue collar people aren't necessarily swayed by things enough to borrow to get them as they tend to have relatively higher disposable incomes. live within their means and are sensible with their money. These people are a genuine threat to the socialist system as they cannot be bought and are therefore pretty much incorruptible. Those working for other people are generally less vulnerable than those who are self employed, but most people are only a couple of months pay away from being dependant on the state.

I previously linked to a video that formed a part o the Biden/Harris campaign about CRT and the levelling of opportunity for minorities... it depicted a brown person struggling to climb a rock to join the white person admiring the view and suggested raising the ground up so that the brown person could simply step onto the rock. (this is inherently racist as it suggests that minorities aren't motivated enough to achieve. In fact, I would go as far as to say that it implies that being dependant on the state is a good thing, especially as a minority >:( ).

A significant part of the World Economic Forums' premise is to equalise opportunities and life expectations, and going back to the fundamental Socialist principle of equality earlier, the easiest way to do this is to take from those who have and give it to those who don't. It is far more cost effective for governments to knock the middle classes down than to raise the poorer levels up.

By enforcing a global lockdown and paying non essential people to stay at home, you have instantly created a captive audience who suddenly start spending money buying things online having been bombarded by adverts for stuff wherever they look. This spending frenzy ultimately consumes all the disposable income and eats into the readily available lending. Eventually, the jobs cut back and the wages fall, and you end up with people who will take any minimum wage job in order to satisfy their credit commitments... "You will have less and you will be happy". The Banks will do two things from their credit incomes: firstly they will make a shit ton of money; secondly they will fund credit to the poorer people globally so that they can obtain more. In turn, this feeds the Producers. Those who still have financial freedom will find themselves heavily taxed to pay for the Government costs of a Socialist state providing for those who have dropped out of the financial cycle... "You will have less and you will be happy".

The easiest way to do this?

Release an airbourne virus just deadly enough to scare people into submission, the aim being to control consumers not eradicate them. And control the media to reinforce the message. There's a reason why Sky News Australia is so outspoken about everything outside of Australia. The basic premise being that they are the other side of the world, literally, and therefore their opinion doesn't matter.. Yet at the same time some Australian States have become Police dictatorships under the pretext of protecting public health.

As for the why? That's easy... follow the money. Who makes everything that we consume? Like I said above and previously almost everything is owned by a few individuals.

As an aside, the global shutdown of much of the aviation industry and reducing car travel has created a noticeable improvement in global air quality, which makes it easier to push a green agenda as part of the overall package... again, look who benefits financially from this. Hint, it's not the consumer. Some of the ideas promoted by the World Economic Forum seem quite reasonable in the way that they are presented, but don't be fooled by the corporate videos, the clue is in the name... it's not a campaign to save polar bears.

Fortunately, we're a resilient bunch and hopefully all Trumps yelling, whether he is re-elected or not, has raised enough attention despite of the medias best efforts of how the leftist elites try to gain political power (it legitamises what they do within the framework of democracy) that we might keep our own systems free from direct interference and thereby maintain a degree of input into how we are governed. This is also why Brexit is so important.
Logged
Onanists always think outside the box.

Nick W

  • Moaning Haddock Head
  • *
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Chatham, Kent
  • Posts: 8547
  • Rover Metro 1.8VVC
    • 3.0l Elite estate
    • View Profile

Hmmmmm.....tin foil hat, anyone? ;D

Why have they exaggerated the death statistics then?  ???
I can't think of a single positive reason for it :-\


stupidity, incomprehension, incompetence, misunderstanding of statistics, pessimism are all much more likely than some global conspiracy run by press barons, nerds and the inheritors of British Leyland and Triumph.


Then the politicians get involved, and show how professionals create opps ups.
Logged

STEMO

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Posts: 670
    • Astra 2.0 diesel
    • View Profile

I'm on to Al's Modus Operandi. Post in the middle of the night when no one's about to disagree. Or, post such a long, rambling novel that no one can be bothered to read it. I certainly can't, anyway.
Logged

Rangie

  • Omega Knight
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • PE11
  • Posts: 1689
    • Range Rover & Subaru
    • View Profile

This time next year it may all be over, enjoy each day & stay safe it's really as simple or as complicated as you want to make it.
Logged

Doctor Gollum

  • Omega Queen
  • ********
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • In a colds and darks puddleses
  • Posts: 19315
  • If you can't eat them, join them...
    • Feetses.
    • View Profile

It didn't look that long on the laptop :-[

Did I mention that I am not a morning person...
Logged
Onanists always think outside the box.

B52

  • Junior Member
  • **
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Glasgow
  • Posts: 152
  • 02 MV6
    • View Profile

There can be legitimate reason to suspect that socialist(ic) forms of government have or acquire a tendency to control the market and money to their own benefit, even if that's an unintended effect. Hayek or Thomas Sowell explain why that is better than me. And that effect can help secure their voter base going forward.

BUT for Covid to be used (deliberately) to achieve that would need yuge assumptions and predictions about

- its spread and nature, which are still not clear
- the success or failure of medical treatments/vaccination, in the immediate and long term
- how disparate countries, regions and people within would respond, which have changed
- the exit strategy once the plan has succeeded

So as method to gain compliance, influence individual spending and the economy, and clean up the environment, I'm not seeing deploying Covid as the most obvious or 'easiest way to do it'.

But then I'm not a morning person either.
Logged

Field Marshal Dr. Opti

  • Over Active Thyroid
  • *********
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Utopia
  • Posts: 25409
  • Saving the world from heathens and fornicators
    • View Profile

The government seems pretty socialist at the moment. :)

Overwhelmingly so.
Logged

Lizzie Zoom

  • Omega Lord
  • *******
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • Ashford, Kent
  • Posts: 5768
    • Omega 3.2 V6 ELITE 2003
    • View Profile

The government seems pretty socialist at the moment. :)

Overwhelmingly so.

Well, apart from £16.5 billion extra for Defence............... 8) 8) :D :D ;)
Logged
Pages: 1 2 [3] 4 5  All   Go Up
 

Page created in 0.167 seconds with 23 queries.