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[Doctor Gollum]

Or all the offended customers...

Starting to turn the work place into a special needs class

I did think of this but presumably both black and white members of staff will be insulted by customers at one time or another, so why not discuss it together in the staff room.

A 'black only' space will only increase racial tension.

And, with management involved, that is what happens with training and support given.  At the moment it is far more likely for ALL retail staff to be either verbally or even physically assaulted, so that is THE main issue currently.

As for separate spaces, that is not new.  I used to allow and encourage separate areas in the back rooms of stores for Muslims to pray in at their set times.  That is good for moral and shows the retail company has respect for it's employees and cares for their welfare.

And I bet you also let smokers take cigarette breaks outside of their actual breaks as well. At what point does it stop?

People who turn up, get on with their work and take minimum breaks are always second in line to those who expect special allowances. Race orr religion shouldn't come into it... Treat everyone the same. Is it really that difficult?

[Lizzie Zoom]

...... <..> Shortened as the quotes are getting too long. 

Along with other anti-diversity comments on this and similar threads I find this a disturbing trend by some OOF members on a public forum, with a lack of acceptance of our diverse society.  It is only a short hop before this all becomes Hate Crime, apart from bring totally unnecessary and, for at least some of us very offensive.

You appear to have made an assumption regarding posters colour, which only goes to strengthen Opt's original post.    I personally have several black friends, friends that I'd regard as really genuinely true friends. This subject never crops up when we are together, as it is neither wanted or needed. As I've said previously, it's those that want it kept alive that keep stirring it up. Sainsburys have only done this because they felt that they should, not because it was necessarily right.
Anyway, if we all boycott Sainsburys we can bring them to their knees. 

No I didn't and will not, as this forum, I am sure, has a very diverse membership and, more importantly, readership.  That is why I am sensitive to some of the comments made that SEEM to make a joke, or worse, of peoples colour, ethnicity, sexual orientation, gender, gender identity, and anything else that is a mix of diversity. Equality is what most of us want, and this is what I have worked on, amoungst many things, during my life. 

What Sainsbury's is doing is not wrong, and for those who do not know what they intend to do read this:
https://www.about.sainsburys.co.uk/making-a-difference/our-values/our-stories/2020/taking-action

They are correctly aiming for a work force that reflects their customer base.  I my early days in retailing it was all white MALE senior managers, and directors with a complete lack of staff from a diverse background, across what we now know to be included under "Diversity".

First it was us women who broke through the managerial ceiling and became senior managers and directors, with people such as me recognising how women could make great retail managers, and they did.  Now it is time, as Sainsbury's point out, for the ethnic groups to be given the opportunity to show their worth and advance the business onwards. What is wrong with that?

Any talk of "boycotting" is, frankly at it's best, wrong and completely out of touch with reality. At it's worst it is akin to the Nazi Germany boycott of Jewish shops and businesses which was pure evil.

Now I am sure no one on here wants that. I have also known black (Jamaican) friends who have discriminated against other (African) blacks and Asians, which is also very wrong. So let's join together to stop this.

This World has got bigger issues and challenges to deal with than accepting diversity in all it's beautiful forms.

So Live and Let Live

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

I can't help but think that many companies such as Sainsbury are acting as enablers of the 'victim mentality' that some black people indulge in.

Sainsbury should be sending out the message that the playing field has been level for many years and that there is equality of opportunity for black and white alike.

Instead, they are essentially patting the black man on the head in a patronising infantilising manner  by saying ...."there there you poor little things, we know you went through slavery, and we know  you don't have white privilege, and we know all white people are racist, so we'll go over and above for you to show you how guilty we feel about the past actions of the evil white man.

Not helpful.

[Lizzie Zoom]

Lizzie, if they hadn't knelt on George Floyd, he would probably have died later that day. If you bothered to look at the actual evidence, he couldn't breathe sitting upright in the car.

It's all readily available including the bodycam footage from the whole arrest. Being knelt on sped the process up. But don't let the facts ruin a good kneeling.

www.hennepin.us › documentsPDF
Floyd's autopsy report - Hennepin County 

Here we go again!

Evidence?  Your link doesn't work, so lets look at the media reports that have looked at the evidence of many witnesses and the many actual videos filmed of the incident
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52861726

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/31/us/george-floyd-investigation.html

Medical Reports :  https://www.cbsnews.com/news/george-floyd-death-autopsies-homicide-axphyxiation-details/

But the truth will come out when the trials of the four former police officers involved go ahead -
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/05/us/george-floyd-officers-trial/index.html

Then you and I will see why charges were brought against these officers and if a conviction is secured which will finally indicate their true guilt or not.

Rightly a criminal court will decide.

[Entwood]

Damned if they do, damned if they don't .....

If they do ... then they are pandering to the BLM movement and should uphold "british standards" (whatever they are) ...

If they don't .. then they are racist in not providing for the black community ....

Whichever choice they make an "Outrage Bus" will pull up and be filled with those who simply like to bump their gums ..... personally .. I shop at Sainsbury's for their goods, not their political views.

[YZ250]

Anyway, if we all boycott Sainsburys we can bring them to their knees. 

................

Any talk of "boycotting" is, frankly at it's best, wrong and completely out of touch with reality.......

Now I am sure no one on here wants that...........

That was intended as a lighthearted joke, given the nature of the subject.   
I couldn't boycott Sainsburys anyway, as we don't have a local Sainsburys. Well, unless you count the little one that sells magazines, bread, milk and precious little else. Nearest one to me is over ten miles away, so not a shop we use. 

[Doctor Gollum]

Lizzie, if they hadn't knelt on George Floyd, he would probably have died later that day. If you bothered to look at the actual evidence, he couldn't breathe sitting upright in the car.

It's all readily available including the bodycam footage from the whole arrest. Being knelt on sped the process up. But don't let the facts ruin a good kneeling.

www.hennepin.us › documentsPDF
Floyd's autopsy report - Hennepin County 

Here we go again!

Evidence?  Your link doesn't work, so lets look at the media reports blah, blah, blah...

Then you and I will see why charges were brought against these officers and if a conviction is secured which will finally indicate their true guilt or not.

Rightly a criminal court will decide.

Media opinion you mean...

Obviously the courts will decide their fates, but if you can be bothered, you can read the entire, unedited, un biased actual autopsy as published by the Hennepin County Coroner is readily available as a PDF.

[Lizzie Zoom]

Lizzie, if they hadn't knelt on George Floyd, he would probably have died later that day. If you bothered to look at the actual evidence, he couldn't breathe sitting upright in the car.

It's all readily available including the bodycam footage from the whole arrest. Being knelt on sped the process up. But don't let the facts ruin a good kneeling.

www.hennepin.us › documentsPDF
Floyd's autopsy report - Hennepin County 

Here we go again!

Evidence?  Your link doesn't work, so lets look at the media reports blah, blah, blah...

Then you and I will see why charges were brought against these officers and if a conviction is secured which will finally indicate their true guilt or not.

Rightly a criminal court will decide.

Media opinion you mean...

Obviously the courts will decide their fates, but if you can be bothered, you can read the entire, unedited, un biased actual autopsy as published by the Hennepin County Coroner is readily available as a PDF.

No, I will just leave it now to the US judicial system

Any further “debate” on his death is pointless. Let the experts decide.

What is more important is the justice system in both the US and here in UK must work for all the people in the communities they serve, without any prejudice. 

[STEMO]

Sir Lewis Hamilton, this should please Lord Opti.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Very well deserved too. Most successful driver ever, who started from very humble beginnings. An inspiration for our youth, hopefully.
Leaving aside the BLM stuff, hes living proof that if you have the drive, commitment and focus, you can can achieve your full potential in life. 

[dave the builder]

Will he "take the knee" when HM the Queen taps him on the shoulder with a sword 
or is the queen reminding him she's white and he should bow before her 


credit to him for his driving skills though

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Very well deserved too. Most successful driver ever, who started from very humble beginnings. An inspiration for our youth, hopefully.
Leaving aside the BLM stuff, hes living proof that if you have the drive, commitment and focus, you can can achieve your full potential in life. 

Should anyone, regardless of colour, receive this honour for driving a car around in circles. Celeb honours are in 'in thing' now. Previously, people needed to achieve something important.

Ah well....

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Will he "take the knee" when HM the Queen taps him on the shoulder with a sword 
or is the queen reminding him she's white and he should bow before her 


credit to him for his driving skills though

I really hope he doesn't embarrass the queen by wearing a BLM T-shirt at the ceremony.

[Doctor Gollum]

I would like to think that she is traditional enough to ignore him if he does...

Credit where it's due, plenty less deserving have been honoured

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

I would like to think that she is traditional enough to ignore him if he does...

Credit where it's due, plenty less deserving have been honoured

I've just had a look at the list. The majority seem to be actors, singers, and sports people.

.....and none of these seem to have 'changed the world significantly'. I'd be happy to see people involved with the development of the covid vaccine recognised in the future.