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Diesel Costs of Railway Transport
« on: 03 September 2008, 22:32:31 »
The high cost of diesel has now started to have a very real affect on the railway industry.

Further to a previous thread on the affects of rising diesel fuel prices, today a TransPennine railway company has ordered it's drivers to "coast" down hill when possible to save £1,000,000 by disengaging engines on multiple units leaving just one to keep powering the train:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bradford/7595511.stm

Sadly in the railway preservation scene it is also having a devastating effect on diesel engine operations :'( :'(, but with pleasingly steam being rostered more often 8-) :y

The real downside is however that according the Rail magazine the following diesels that were considered 'preserved' have now either been sold for scrap or  broken up already :'( :'( :'(:

20056, 20135, 202206, 31113/23/66/88, 31421/42/67,31556, 33056, 33204, 37111/31/58/65, 37211/42, 37505, 37904, 45127, 46023, 47001, 47295, 47403, 50001/23/40/3, 55016, 56023/80, 73004

This is very sad news for all railway enthusiasts, especially those who particularly treasure diesels like Martin Imber. :'( :'(  Apparently it is not only the rising cost of fuel that has put owners off of ownership, but the price of scrap has risen so much that a 100 ton engine previously worth £3,000 is now worth £30,000!! :o :o :o

As a steam preservationist I see on one side the delightful possibilities of a greater use of coal powered engines (on preserved railways) :y, but then am very concerned indeed about the rising scrap values that could badly affect those engines still "awaiting restoration". :( :( :(

The one saving grace is that those engines already restored are valued in the 100 of thousands of pounds, well above their weight in scrap value :y

All this certainly is yet another indication of how bad things have become in so many ways in the UK and the world as a whole.

Heaven help anyone having to regularly commute by train and meet the rising costs of their season tickets! :o :o :'(

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Re: Diesel Costs of Railway Transport
« Reply #1 on: 03 September 2008, 22:35:27 »
LZ, why are you smilies overwriting your writing? I asked about this in forum problems but got some suggestions of a personal nature ::) ::) ::)
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« Reply #2 on: 03 September 2008, 22:36:31 »
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LZ, why are you smilies overwriting your writing? I asked about this in forum problems but got some suggestions of a personal nature ::) ::) ::)

It's OK for me.  :-/
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« Reply #3 on: 03 September 2008, 22:37:06 »
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LZ, why are you smilies overwriting your writing? I asked about this in forum problems but got some suggestions of a personal nature ::) ::) ::)

To show my pleasure when I am receiving it!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
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Re: Diesel Costs of Railway Transport
« Reply #4 on: 03 September 2008, 22:37:29 »
i thought 55016 was a runner, wouldnt have thought it scrapped.  :-?
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« Reply #5 on: 03 September 2008, 22:39:28 »
I must admit that although I have not a scoobie of an idea how these diesel units work ... I "think" they drive generators  which then power the wheels ?? ... I have been amazed at the tone of the radio/tv reports .. especially those trying to compare them with cars .. " its easier to turn them off as they don't have to run power steering etc etc" ...

now I know I'm thick .. but both my Miggy's ( old 2.5 and this one) "turn off" the engine on overrun, simply by not opening the injectors, the engine still rotates so giving all ancillary functions, just uses no fuel and provides engine (compression) braking....

So why don't these Train engines just do the same ?? can't be difficult to do, and the electric motors become generators to provide all lighting, braking etc ... no driver "turn off engine" involvement at all ....  

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« Reply #6 on: 03 September 2008, 22:39:33 »
Bring back steam trains I say, they're no more smelly than diesel but they look great.

I have never understood the draw to "train spotting" I can sort of understand it with Steam becasue they all looked so different but electrics and Diesels all look the same....don't they? :-/
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« Reply #7 on: 03 September 2008, 22:41:57 »
they all look the same nowadays but 35 odd years ago they didnt, they had character then.
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« Reply #8 on: 03 September 2008, 22:42:32 »
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LZ, why are you smilies overwriting your writing? I asked about this in forum problems but got some suggestions of a personal nature ::) ::) ::)

Doesnt for me........in fact perfick ok.......maybe its your screen settings......this laptop is set 1024x768....32bit
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« Reply #9 on: 03 September 2008, 22:43:19 »
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i thought 55016 was a runner, wouldnt have thought it scrapped.  :-?

According to Steam Railway Magazine (Aug/Sept 2008) quoting Rail magazine the new owner of D9016 / 55016 'Gordon Highlander', Harry Needle has announced his intention to scrap it due to its value in that form being so high!! Very sad, but apparently true as far as I can ascertain!! :o :o :o
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« Reply #10 on: 03 September 2008, 22:45:17 »
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LZ, why are you smilies overwriting your writing? I asked about this in forum problems but got some suggestions of a personal nature ::) ::) ::)

Logged off and then back on and all OK, sorry LZ did not mean to hijack you post. have posted in forum problems for advice. :y
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« Reply #11 on: 03 September 2008, 22:46:22 »
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Bring back steam trains I say, they're no more smelly than diesel but they look great.

I have never understood the draw to "train spotting" I can sort of understand it with Steam becasue they all looked so different but electrics and Diesels all look the same....don't they? :-/

I am glad you said that not me Brian........put your steel helmet on and await the protest from diesel fans!! :o :D ;)


As for regular steam trains on the National lines....if only, but I am afraid just a dream unless technology comes to our rescue! ::) ::) ::)
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Re: Diesel Costs of Railway Transport
« Reply #12 on: 03 September 2008, 22:47:19 »
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LZ, why are you smilies overwriting your writing? I asked about this in forum problems but got some suggestions of a personal nature ::) ::) ::)

Logged off and then back on and all OK, sorry LZ did not mean to hijack you post. have posted in forum problems for advice. :y

Ok, and no problemthanks  Mike!! :D ;)
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Re: Diesel Costs of Railway Transport
« Reply #13 on: 03 September 2008, 22:48:51 »
this does surprise me, getting rid of heritage now to earn some cash. indeed a sad time for preservation. :'( as i am a big deltic fan.
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Re: Diesel Costs of Railway Transport
« Reply #14 on: 03 September 2008, 22:56:08 »
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20056, 20135, 202206, 31113/23/66/88, 31421/42/67,31556, 33056, 33204, 37111/31/58/65, 37211/42, 37505, 37904, 45127, 46023, 47001, 47295, 47403, 50001/23/40/3, 55016, 56023/80, 73004


Some are very unlikely to go forwards - if Gordon Highlander got scrapped there would be blood, worst case should be given to DPS.

There are a lot of 50s preserved - personally I think 50 of them would be nice but there isn't the money.

The prototype 37 reengine though - that is sad

Scrapping a Deltic would be the equivalent of scrapping say Bittern, or DUchess of Hamilton
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