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[The Red Baron]

i agree martin, cant see the deltic going, however as you say, plenty of 50`s around

[Martin_1962]

i thought 55016 was a runner, wouldnt have thought it scrapped.  :-?

According to Steam Railway Magazine (Aug/Sept 2008) quoting Rail magazine the new owner of D9016 / 55016 'Gordon Highlander', Harry Needle has announced his intention to scrap it due to its value in that form being so high!! Very sad, but apparently true as far as I can ascertain!!

Living very dangerously I think - beware I expect he will buy an A4 next to scrap.

Do not be surprised if he gets topped by a Deltic fan if it goes ahead.

I know the DPS have loads of spares, including at least 5 engines.

Worst case for 16 should be static display

This is what they want to scrap

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdVtyEQKDrI

BTW that is on one engine not both

[Martin_1962]

i agree martin, cant see the deltic going, however as you say, plenty of 50`s around

I like the 50s I used to know a part owner.

50,017 is my favourite had to excellent runs behind it.

As to Deltics cannot see them being allowed to scrap one. Not the best Diesel loco ever made

[FRE07962128]

20056, 20135, 202206, 31113/23/66/88, 31421/42/67,31556, 33056, 33204, 37111/31/58/65, 37211/42, 37505, 37904, 45127, 46023, 47001, 47295, 47403, 50001/23/40/3, 55016, 56023/80, 73004

Some are very unlikely to go forwards - if Gordon Highlander got scrapped there would be blood, worst case should be given to DPS.

There are a lot of 50s preserved - personally I think 50 of them would be nice but there isn't the money.

The prototype 37 reengine though - that is sad

Scrapping a Deltic would be the equivalent of scrapping say Bittern, or DUchess of Hamilton

I know Martin, if really true it just sounds like plain greed to me!

I just sincerely hope that the situation does not prove to be as bad as it sounds, but as you know Rail have usually reliable sources of info.

What worries me is that a large number of "preserved" steam engines in South Africa "awaiting restoration" have recently been cut up to benefit from the rising value of scrap!!

[Martin_1962]

I did see 55016 in Exeter as well - I remember it storming up the bank to the other Exeter station with 9 on a following 33 with 8 crawled

[The Red Baron]

just seen 16 on the youtube link, arghhh the hairs on my neck stood up, what a great noise eh.

[Martin_1962]

just seen 16 on the youtube link, arghhh the hairs on my neck stood up, what a great noise eh.

That was a good day, check out some of the others of the same day

[FRE07962128]

just seen 16 on the youtube link, arghhh the hairs on my neck stood up, what a great noise eh.

Nothing else like it; well for diesels anyway!

[The Red Baron]

the only other engine noise that does the same for me is the merlin, yet another great piece of machinery.

[Bandit127]

There is somthing about the sound of a Deltic that raises the hair on the back of your neck.

It's like it was being driven by one of the four horsemen of the apocalypse. Or something like that anyway. Awesome.

[edit]Lizzie - must type faster[/edit]

[Ian_D]

Such a shame to see them trains been scrapped.

 

[The Red Baron]

& two peaks aswell. common on the midland mainline through belper  ( derbyshire) when i was a kid.

[Humpy]

I thought it was going to be used as a source of spares which is why it was going to broken up? Either way, it seems a shame to see it scrapped, even if scrap price is at an all time high

Steam's for me although I can appreciate a flipping great V16 diesel engine giving it's all at around 3500 bp 'Tis a sight (and sound!) to behold My favourite line is the West Somerset Railway, at 22 odd miles long it's the longest preserved railway and very scenic running along the coast for the first part. I'll be there in October with SWMBO and the Miggy trainspotting

Humpy

PS Bloody good pubs close handy as well

[Marks DTM Calib]

I must admit that although I have not a scoobie of an idea how these diesel units work ... I "think" they drive generators  which then power the wheels ?? ... I have been amazed at the tone of the radio/tv reports .. especially those trying to compare them with cars .. " its easier to turn them off as they don't have to run power steering etc etc" ...

now I know I'm thick .. but both my Miggy's ( old 2.5 and this one) "turn off" the engine on overrun, simply by not opening the injectors, the engine still rotates so giving all ancillary functions, just uses no fuel and provides engine (compression) braking....

So why don't these Train engines just do the same ?? can't be difficult to do, and the electric motors become generators to provide all lighting, braking etc ... no driver "turn off engine" involvement at all ....  

 

Lol, the multiple units generally are not diesel electric, they use torque convertors, sometimes gears and directive drive!

The larger freight locos are diesel electric and some of the old ones are even diesel hydaulic!

What amazes me is that the control setups on the modern multiple units dont automaticaly drop into a high efficency running mode anyway!

SOme of the big mainline diesel locos are very impressive, I particularly like the electricary bit!

[Humpy]

Here we go (terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired ) Swindon works continued there tradition of doing things their own way by building Diesel Hydraulics with engines and transmissions by Maybach built under licence. Their first generation multiple units were Hydraulics as well. After a while it was deemed by BR that Hydraulics weren't standard and they were gradualy done away with. What I'm getting round to is...now almost all multiple units are Diesel Hydraulics!! So after BR wasting millions of £ the powers that be have suddenly realised how good the idea is

Humpy

PS The Germans have never gone away from Hydraulics!

PPS In the course of my duties at work, we vistited Hastings Diesels, a third party maintenance depot here we were allowed inside a Class 50. Talk about big relay contacts About six inches across!!!