Census

[STEMO]

So we are turning the world upside down and abolishing all known norms as well as strictly limiting freedom of speech and expression for 0.015% of people who could possibly in certain circumstances be adversely affected by something - maybe. 

So minorities (about 5% who are trans based on official estimated figures) do not matter and should not be protected?

Free speech is great and I fully support it, but when it hurts and badly affects fellow human beings it must be controlled.

It can't be controlled, get down the pub on a Friday night and you'll see.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Oh dear lizzie.....I see you are pulling the 'rozzer card' which I suppose is much like the race card. I suppose when common sense and reason are are replaced with SJW wokery then shutting down any further conversation is the usual route to take. Nazi Germany anyone?

You say the vulnerable must be protected but protected from what?.......let me think. Could it be they need protecting from an opinion that doesn't mirror your own. This is the stuff of woke kids in the American college system where everybody needs to be silenced until they are all singing from the same prayer book usually from an extreme left wing point of view

You can say whatever you want. I may not agree but you can say it. From your point of view you want to shut things down and no doubt you will try to spin a difference of opinion into 'hate speech'. Be aware Lizzie that there is a difference between hate speech and speech you hate......and you do not get to play God.

I am of the opinion (along with most people) of thinking that trans surgery should not happen until the person in question is old enough to consent......that is  not an impressionable child who may well change their mind,.......wow shock horror how evil.

Don't try and tell me what to think.

[Lizzie Zoom]

Your moving the goalposts. 0.015 % figure suited your argument in one post but changes to 5% when it suits in another.
You either have freedom of speech or you dont. Having controlled freedom of speech is like being a little bit pregnant.
If you disagree with what someone says dont ban them from saying it, argue against what they said.

Please show me the post where I quoted that figure. 

[Lizzie Zoom]

So we are turning the world upside down and abolishing all known norms as well as strictly limiting freedom of speech and expression for 0.015% of people who could possibly in certain circumstances be adversely affected by something - maybe. 

So minorities (about 5% who are trans based on official estimated figures) do not matter and should not be protected?

Free speech is great and I fully support it, but when it hurts and badly affects fellow human beings it must be controlled.

It can't be controlled, get down the pub on a Friday night and you'll see.

I cannot because they are closed!

Anyway we all know what is said when alcohol is involved Steve, but does that make it OK?

[STEMO]

Oh dear lizzie.....I see you are pulling the 'rozzer card' which I suppose is much like the race card. I suppose when common sense and reason are are replaced with SJW wokery then shutting down any further conversation is the usual route to take. Nazi Germany anyone?

You say the vulnerable must be protected but protected from what?.......let me think. Could it be they need protecting from an opinion that doesn't mirror your own. This is the stuff of woke kids in the American college system where everybody needs to be silenced until they are all singing from the same prayer book usually from an extreme left wing point of view

You can say whatever you want. I may not agree but you can say it. From your point of view you want to shut things down and no doubt you will try to spin a difference of opinion into 'hate speech'. Be aware Lizzie that there is a difference between hate speech and speech you hate......and you do not get to play God.

I am of the opinion (along with most people) of thinking that trans surgery should not happen until the person in question is old enough to consent......that is  not an impressionable child who may well change their mind,.......wow shock horror how evil.

Don't try and tell me what to think.

Like I already said, Opti, I call a spade a spade, a queer a queer and I will not stop for anyone.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

So we are turning the world upside down and abolishing all known norms as well as strictly limiting freedom of speech and expression for 0.015% of people who could possibly in certain circumstances be adversely affected by something - maybe. 

So minorities (about 5% who are trans based on official estimated figures) do not matter and should not be protected?

Free speech is great and I fully support it, but when it hurts and badly affects fellow human beings it must be controlled.

Of course they can be protected. Just don't allow the 95% who think differently to have an opinion......in case some of the 5% are offended.

This is the route you are taking.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Your moving the goalposts. 0.015 % figure suited your argument in one post but changes to 5% when it suits in another.
You either have freedom of speech or you dont. Having controlled freedom of speech is like being a little bit pregnant.
If you disagree with what someone says dont ban them from saying it, argue against what they said.

Please show me the post where I quoted that figure. 

Ok Mrs Pedant. Nick said it and you then replied "well said Nick". 

Please reply to the rest of the post. Not just the four words you highlighted. 

[Doctor Gollum]

https://officialhodgetwins.com/products/white-privilege-card

[STEMO]

https://officialhodgetwins.com/products/white-privilege-card

Something they can never own 

[Lizzie Zoom]

Oh dear lizzie.....I see you are pulling the 'rozzer card' which I suppose is much like the race card. I suppose when common sense and reason are are replaced with SJW wokery then shutting down any further conversation is the usual route to take. Nazi Germany anyone?

You say the vulnerable must be protected but protected from what?.......let me think. Could it be they need protecting from an opinion that doesn't mirror your own. This is the stuff of woke kids in the American college system where everybody needs to be silenced until they are all singing from the same prayer book usually from an extreme left wing point of view

You can say whatever you want. I may not agree but you can say it. From your point of view you want to shut things down and no doubt you will try to spin a difference of opinion into 'hate speech'. Be aware Lizzie that there is a difference between hate speech and speech you hate......and you do not get to play God.

I am of the opinion (along with most people) of thinking that trans surgery should not happen until the person in question is old enough to consent......that is  not an impressionable child who may well change their mind,.......wow shock horror how evil.

Don't try and tell me what to think.

Yet again you are misinformed!!!

No one under the age of 18 can undergo  gender reassignment surgery in the UK.  A child needing to go on puberty blockers MUST also get permission from the courts if it can be proved by professional that it is in the child's best interests.

What has the USA got to do with all this in the UK?

You are so up yourself on this subject that you are just spouting ignorant rubbish to try and justify your bias!!

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

I love the way Lizzie talks about free speech but then threatens to call her friends in the police if I/we don't manage our thinking in a way she deems acceptable.

Great book 1984.

[countrywoman]

I can see the fingerless mittens coming off !!

[STEMO]

I can see the fingerless mittens coming off !!

Really? Where you gonna shove your fingers then? 

[Nick W]

So we are turning the world upside down and abolishing all known norms as well as strictly limiting freedom of speech and expression for 0.015% of people who could possibly in certain circumstances be adversely affected by something - maybe. 

But that's the thing: we are not!
Most people look at these rare reports, think 'that's a bit shit' and get on with their lives.

[Lizzie Zoom]

Your moving the goalposts. 0.015 % figure suited your argument in one post but changes to 5% when it suits in another.
You either have freedom of speech or you dont. Having controlled freedom of speech is like being a little bit pregnant.
If you disagree with what someone says dont ban them from saying it, argue against what they said.

Please show me the post where I quoted that figure. 

Ok Mrs Pedant. Nick said it and you then replied "well said Nick". 

Please reply to the rest of the post. Not just the four words you highlighted. 

If you read my recent posts you will see my explanation of why freedom of speech should be restricted when on a public forum when discussing a very human issue that could result in death.