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Re: Are such crossings legal?
« Reply #60 on: 11 November 2021, 15:05:08 »

I've worked in Ilford, Barkingside, Plaistow, Forest Gate, Stratford, Barking......it was never like this then. Camden Lock was always 'trendy', but never seemed particularly lefty to me.
But, then again, that was a while ago.

You forgot Colchester. The Robin Hood pub shut up shop when you left town.  :D
You're going way back now, Albs, I spent my 21st birthday in jail in Colchester  ;D

Bloody hell ! I think Humpty Dumpty was still sat on the wall next to The Hole in the wall pub then.  ;D
Did Bodicea drink in The Robin Hood at that time ?  ;D
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Re: Are such crossings legal?
« Reply #61 on: 11 November 2021, 15:07:28 »

https://youtu.be/WXa5RmnaPLo

Apparently the garish colours affect  guide dogs and horses. :-\

But I supposed animal can also be transphobic... ;D ;D
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Re: Are such crossings legal?
« Reply #62 on: 11 November 2021, 17:38:21 »

I've worked in Ilford, Barkingside, Plaistow, Forest Gate, Stratford, Barking......it was never like this then. Camden Lock was always 'trendy', but never seemed particularly lefty to me.
But, then again, that was a while ago.

You forgot Colchester. The Robin Hood pub shut up shop when you left town.  :D
You're going way back now, Albs, I spent my 21st birthday in jail in Colchester  ;D
I was thinking you spent more nights locked away than in town on the lash :D
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Re: Are such crossings legal?
« Reply #63 on: 11 November 2021, 18:33:30 »

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are these new crossings legitimate?
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There appears to be no mention of such folly in The Highway Code. Government road and transport documentation seem to suggest that all crossings must adhere to strict rules and regulations.......and I'm far from sure that these do.
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Apparrantly not, according to .gov response when somebody else questioned it.

Here you go Opti.  :y

All pedestrian crossings are regulated by the Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2016 (TSRGD). This includes zebras, puffins, and the type of pedestrian facilities at junctions referred to here.
TSRGD prescribes the signs, signals and markings that must be used to create the different types of crossing. The Traffic Signs Manual gives guidance on the use of road markings in Chapter 5, but the requirements of TSRGD take precedence over any good practice guidance.
In the Department’s view, coloured surfacing is not considered a traffic sign or road marking and therefore doesn’t come within the scope of the TSRGD. It has no legal meaning and therefore could be placed within the crossing studs at a signal-controlled crossing, or pedestrian facility at a junction.
The use of surfacing in this way needs careful thought. Striped designs must be avoided – there is a trend to use surfacing materials (e.g. different types of stone paviour) in patterns to mark informal crossings, including some that are striped. Our view is that any crossing that is not a zebra must not resemble one. That would extend to using a striped pattern at a signalled crossing. Zebra crossings have a defined priority in law, and anything that looks like one could lead pedestrians to assume priority when it doesn’t exist. The artwork must not alter the appearance of the prescribed crossing signals, signs and markings in any way, as this may mean they were no longer compliant with TSRGD.

It would appear that they may get away with it on traffic light controlled crossings with studs but not anywhere else, as some have been removed. A few wheel spin marks on them and the painting maintenance cost will soon piss them off.


"It would appear that they may get away with it on traffic light controlled crossings with studs"  - Exactly what you have with this crossing. as I made clear in my earlier post on the legality of this crossing.! ::) ::) ::)

So no argument then :-X :-X :-X

You read the bits that suit you. The actual Department of Transport response says 'That would extend to using a striped pattern at a signalled crossing', hence why I highlighted it. It's saying that a controlled crossing should not look like a zebra crossing, hence it's not legal.  ::)
People on the Spectrum have raised issues with it being confusing but hey, they don't count as there is no mileage in them.

So it looks like a zebra crossing to you, painted with set black and white same size boxes?

I can recommend SpecSavers for you, or go out and look at a zebra crossing and compare with this threads photo :D ;)

If others find the photo image confusing, so be it.  But a lot of motorists find all too much confusing, only to them, as they get older and forget the Highway Code. ::) ;D ;D ;D ;)

I wasnt goingh to comment again on this thread, but I have to stress that all this thread was about trashing anything that is "Diverse" and "not how it was in my day".   Let's all grow up eh, and move on.  Live and let live, life is now too short for many of us to worry about such things. :)
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Re: Are such crossings legal?
« Reply #64 on: 11 November 2021, 19:18:36 »

Lizzie.....you really need to read what YZ 250 said again.

You are struggling to understand.

But for the purpose of clarity I'll help a young lady in distress because I am that rare thing in 2021.....I am a gentleman. ::) ::)

He is right and you are wrong.

Hope this helps. :)



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Re: Are such crossings legal?
« Reply #65 on: 12 November 2021, 16:32:05 »

Lizzie.....you really need to read what YZ 250 said again.

You are struggling to understand.

But for the purpose of clarity I'll help a young lady in distress because I am that rare thing in 2021.....I am a gentleman. ::) ::)

He is right and you are wrong.

Hope this helps. :)

You know I do not care a flying fig if I am right or wrong, but it is still a fact you are pushing your anti-woke agenda and campaign on the OOF, but what else are you doing about it?! :P :P :P :P

Have you yet taken up STEMO's suggestion of lodging a protest with Camden Council?  Have you taken up my suggestion to launch a Change.org petition with Parliament, I gave you the link?

No?  I thought not as you are one who would sooner whine and be a winger to every on here about what YOU do not like, but do not take your convictions, that I know are strong and genuine, forward as a true campaigner would. ::) ::) ::) :-X

Let us all know when you have taken up your argument with the relevant authorities and people that care. ;)

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Re: Are such crossings legal?
« Reply #66 on: 12 November 2021, 16:49:02 »

Lizzie.....you really need to read what YZ 250 said again.

You are struggling to understand.

But for the purpose of clarity I'll help a young lady in distress because I am that rare thing in 2021.....I am a gentleman. ::) ::)

He is right and you are wrong.

Hope this helps. :)

You know I do not care a flying fig if I am right or wrong, but it is still a fact you are pushing your anti-woke agenda and campaign on the OOF, but what else are you doing about it?! :P :P :P :P

Have you yet taken up STEMO's suggestion of lodging a protest with Camden Council?  Have you taken up my suggestion to launch a Change.org petition with Parliament, I gave you the link?

No?  I thought not as you are one who would sooner whine and be a winger to every on here about what YOU do not like, but do not take your convictions, that I know are strong and genuine, forward as a true campaigner would. ::) ::) ::) :-X

Let us all know when you have taken up your argument with the relevant authorities and people that care. ;)


Have you dug this thread up again. ;D

I've moved on.

I can imagine you hyperventilating as you pace up and down with the unfairness of it all

Take a deep breath and then slowly release it.....10...9....8...7 get the idea. :)

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Re: Are such crossings legal?
« Reply #67 on: 12 November 2021, 19:39:33 »

Lizzie.....you really need to read what YZ 250 said again.

You are struggling to understand.

But for the purpose of clarity I'll help a young lady in distress because I am that rare thing in 2021.....I am a gentleman. ::) ::)

He is right and you are wrong.

Hope this helps. :)

You know I do not care a flying fig if I am right or wrong, but it is still a fact you are pushing your anti-woke agenda and campaign on the OOF, but what else are you doing about it?! :P :P :P :P

Have you yet taken up STEMO's suggestion of lodging a protest with Camden Council?  Have you taken up my suggestion to launch a Change.org petition with Parliament, I gave you the link?

No?  I thought not as you are one who would sooner whine and be a winger to every on here about what YOU do not like, but do not take your convictions, that I know are strong and genuine, forward as a true campaigner would. ::) ::) ::) :-X

Let us all know when you have taken up your argument with the relevant authorities and people that care. ;)


Have you dug this thread up again. ;D

I've moved on.

I can imagine you hyperventilating as you pace up and down with the unfairness of it all

Take a deep breath and then slowly release it.....10...9....8...7 get the idea. :)

As I said, do not care about the Camden crossing and I, unlike you, are not pacing up and down over these diversity issues, i would just sooner not keep on seeing your same old boring same old message. ;)
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Re: Are such crossings legal?
« Reply #68 on: 12 November 2021, 19:48:27 »

You're at the opposite ends of the debate with your own agendas, so don't get all uppity about it with all the gusto of a pious hypocrite.

Accept that other people have equally valid opinions and deal with it like a grown up.
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Re: Are such crossings legal?
« Reply #69 on: 12 November 2021, 20:38:47 »

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Re: Are such crossings legal?
« Reply #70 on: 12 November 2021, 23:33:53 »

I was sat out the front of a posh cafe on Piccadilly in the summer scoffing a £25 slice of cake & my boss was bemoaning the waste of money being spent in that area on multi -coloured pedestrian crossings. I think the fizzy wine must have gone to my head ; cos I quite liked it  ::)
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Re: Are such crossings legal?
« Reply #71 on: 13 November 2021, 08:53:57 »

I was sat out the front of a posh cafe on Piccadilly in the summer scoffing a £25 slice of cake & my boss was bemoaning the waste of money being spent in that area on multi -coloured pedestrian crossings. I think the fizzy wine must have gone to my head ; cos I quite liked it  ::)


Got to agree with you there not see the UK crossing in question but in Spain I have seen several colourful road markings & they look great.
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Re: Are such crossings legal?
« Reply #72 on: 13 November 2021, 09:38:11 »

No such nonsense in Gran Canaria, and that's probably the most inclusive place I have ever been.  :-X
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Re: Are such crossings legal?
« Reply #73 on: 13 November 2021, 10:36:44 »

You're at the opposite ends of the debate with your own agendas, so don't get all uppity about it with all the gusto of a pious hypocrite.

Accept that other people have equally valid opinions and deal with it like a grown up.

Yes DG, for not the first time you are right and as recommended by others I should just leave this childish nonsense alone :y :y

No more comment from me on these diversity threads ;D ;)

Now all can see why I was nicknamed “The Terrier” by the directors of my company; I chase things down until I get a result ;)
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Re: Are such crossings legal?
« Reply #74 on: 13 November 2021, 10:40:31 »

Perpective.
This is a car forum, now frequented by maybe a couple of dozen people. We wont put the world to rights (or our own personal version of right) by posting all our thoughts and strongly held beliefs on here.
Can someone please remind me of this post next time Im having a rant.  ;D
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