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Re: Major incident declared in London.
« Reply #45 on: 21 December 2021, 14:40:17 »

Are you saying, DG, that people who have been pinged or tested positive should ignore it, and carry on as normal, rather than get checked and isolate as appropriate :o.


As to the US, that's likely (according to my colonel colleagues), your average sherman gets all their knowledge from arsebook etc, and believe it as 100% fact, and they don't want behavioural changing nanobots running around inside them like a Michael Crichton novel....
Not if it's legitimate, but the implication of Micks comment is that it is acceptable to use it as an excuse to take time off. Those that are likely to do that are the type that use any slight excuse not to do their job... Always start late/leave early /just popping out for a smoke etc... And if you call them out on it they automatically claim the victim position.

It always the people that turn up early/leave late/have their breaks on the fly that have to cover the bulk of the work and that's not reasonable. And that's before you consider the ridiculous shift patterns which aren't helped by the shirkers.

Working around sick people there's always the chance to catch any number of infections. That's an inherent part of the job in the same way that someone who drives for a living is more likely to be involved in a pile up than someone who doesn't drive, or a lifeguard having to get wet once in a while.

I think that in the US, from what I have heard from callers to the Ken Coleman show and individuals in the airline industry, people are choosing to change career/retire early rather than be forced to take the vaccine. This isn't because the vaccine is necessarily a bad thing but that they aren't being given a choice.
Care homes here lost alot of staff over compulsory vaccination as well. People accept the risks of their employment choices, but do so on their terms, not because they are forced to.
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Re: Major incident declared in London.
« Reply #46 on: 21 December 2021, 14:41:53 »

DG has taken to many red pills:

The Matrix's real-world legacy - from red pill incels to conspiracies and deepfakes https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-57572152
Can't say that I watched the whole of the first one :-\
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Re: Major incident declared in London.
« Reply #47 on: 21 December 2021, 14:43:41 »

And, from experience, you can enthuse and drive your staff at 100% for short periods - there needs to be a light at the end of a short tunnel to do so.

A good manager or team leader can drive 100% to about 80%, 100% of the time. After that, they are burnt out after a while. Usually spotted subtly by an increase in sick, or more obviously by underpants on head, Wibble etc.

The NHS are used to being at breaking point every winter, but get the breather they need in less busy months.  The last 2 years, they have been beyond breaking point in the winter, and with further peaks throughout the year lessened only by full lockdowns.  So its expected for many of them to be burned out, even if its their vocation.  Those that aren't, are likely mentally weary as well.


Whilst I think the NHS is dreadfully inefficient, disorganised, irreparably broken and mostly useless, that's not to say that the low paid, front line staff are there to deal with those selfish individuals who are not prepared to take basic, simple steps to reduce the chances of them having to be admitted into hospitals with the chinky sniffle.
Very well put Jamie  :)

DG has taken to many red pills:

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He must be on something  :-X
probably imports the pills from America and Australia like he does his news and opinions  :D
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Re: Major incident declared in London.
« Reply #48 on: 21 December 2021, 15:04:50 »

DG has taken to many red pills:

The Matrix's real-world legacy - from red pill incels to conspiracies and deepfakes https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-57572152
Another film they should have stopped at the (reasonable, esp the first half) first film.  Haven't they just made another?
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Re: Major incident declared in London.
« Reply #49 on: 21 December 2021, 15:08:44 »

I never mentioned anything about taking dodgy sick leave, merely that NHS staff will undoubtedly catch the virus and test positive which in turn will lead to time off, the other was about two training officers opting for early retirement. Some people simply like to argue which I refuse to reply to.
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Re: Major incident declared in London.
« Reply #50 on: 21 December 2021, 15:09:24 »

DG has taken to many red pills:

The Matrix's real-world legacy - from red pill incels to conspiracies and deepfakes https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-57572152
Another film they should have stopped at the (reasonable, esp the first half) first film.  Haven't they just made another?
Ermmm.....the link?
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Re: Major incident declared in London.
« Reply #51 on: 21 December 2021, 15:30:08 »

Those that are likely to do that are the type that use any slight excuse not to do their job... Always start late/leave early /just popping out for a smoke etc... And if you call them out on it they automatically claim the victim position.
happens everywhere though, and the current western world views are going to make that worse, and those views have the momentum now, don't expect they to stop.

Working around sick people there's always the chance to catch any number of infections. That's an inherent part of the job in the same way that someone who drives for a living is more likely to be involved in a pile up than someone who doesn't drive, or a lifeguard having to get wet once in a while.
Yes, like many jobs, there are dangers.  When I was growing up, AIDS was the (initially) unknown scary killer to nurses etc.

But I think mountain rescue and RNLI/Coastguard staff have every right to be pissed with irresponsible actions, like climbing mountains utterly unprepared, or taking a small dingy out in windy weather, expecting others to risk their lives because of their arrogance.

I think that in the US, from what I have heard from callers to the Ken Coleman show and individuals in the airline industry, people are choosing to change career/retire early rather than be forced to take the vaccine. This isn't because the vaccine is necessarily a bad thing but that they aren't being given a choice.
Care homes here lost alot of staff over compulsory vaccination as well. People accept the risks of their employment choices, but do so on their terms, not because they are forced to.
Remember these TV and Radio shows get people in with controversial viewpoints, as it creates engagement (even if that is smashing up the radio because Jeremy Whine is on).  So don't read too much into that.

As to choice, I want to shoot stupid people, but I don't get that choice.  If I had a granny, and she was in a care home, I wouldn't want her looked after by somebody with a deadly, infectious disease like Ebola, or the chinky sniffle.


It may be a small errosion into civil liberties and rights. I get that. I don't want legal restrictions, and I certainly don't want the lockdown thats coming - the first was a novelty, but boring, and we know the economic and social costs...

...but because proportions of the British public are too oppsing stupid and selfish and self centred, we can't rely on them taking sensible precautions like masking up when appropriate (not the same as when legally required) or avoiding crowds or having to give up or postpone plans, we have to have legal restrictions.

I'm sure we've all seen incidents of people entering supermarkets, shouting and swearing at the poor staff asking them to obey the traffic light system and wearing a face covering. Or making a scene at the bar when asked to return to their seat back when it was table service only.  And to be frank, the fact that the residential areas of London during lockdown being fully of large groups of people, because rules don't apply to them.

As I've said previously, I happily, voluntarily take said sensible precautions to protect myself but especially others I might pass it on to, to avoid full legal restrictions. But the british public is thick and 'me! me! me!'.  So I have to settle for a short term/terms erosion of my liberties due to the self centred self-abusers who think the rules shouldn't apply to them.
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Re: Major incident declared in London.
« Reply #52 on: 21 December 2021, 15:31:02 »

DG has taken to many red pills:

The Matrix's real-world legacy - from red pill incels to conspiracies and deepfakes https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-57572152
Another film they should have stopped at the (reasonable, esp the first half) first film.  Haven't they just made another?
Ermmm.....the link?
The Matrix franchise.
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Re: Major incident declared in London.
« Reply #53 on: 21 December 2021, 15:31:41 »

DG has taken to many red pills:

The Matrix's real-world legacy - from red pill incels to conspiracies and deepfakes https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-57572152
Another film they should have stopped at the (reasonable, esp the first half) first film.  Haven't they just made another?
Ermmm.....the link?
The Matrix franchise.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Matrix_(franchise)
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Re: Major incident declared in London.
« Reply #54 on: 21 December 2021, 15:35:06 »

DG has taken to many red pills:

The Matrix's real-world legacy - from red pill incels to conspiracies and deepfakes https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-57572152
Another film they should have stopped at the (reasonable, esp the first half) first film.  Haven't they just made another?
Ermmm.....the link?
The Matrix franchise.
You asked a question, the link has the answer.
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Re: Major incident declared in London.
« Reply #55 on: 21 December 2021, 15:46:48 »

https://www.ramseysolutions.com/shows/the-ken-coleman-show

Ken Coleman is hardly sensationalistic ;D

Likewise Juan Browne, a B777 skipper for United...

https://youtu.be/YmjAZ6zzkc4
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Re: Major incident declared in London.
« Reply #56 on: 21 December 2021, 17:35:07 »

Those that are likely to do that are the type that use any slight excuse not to do their job... Always start late/leave early /just popping out for a smoke etc... And if you call them out on it they automatically claim the victim position.
happens everywhere though, and the current western world views are going to make that worse, and those views have the momentum now, don't expect they to stop.

Working around sick people there's always the chance to catch any number of infections. That's an inherent part of the job in the same way that someone who drives for a living is more likely to be involved in a pile up than someone who doesn't drive, or a lifeguard having to get wet once in a while.
Yes, like many jobs, there are dangers.  When I was growing up, AIDS was the (initially) unknown scary killer to nurses etc.

But I think mountain rescue and RNLI/Coastguard staff have every right to be pissed with irresponsible actions, like climbing mountains utterly unprepared, or taking a small dingy out in windy weather, expecting others to risk their lives because of their arrogance.

I think that in the US, from what I have heard from callers to the Ken Coleman show and individuals in the airline industry, people are choosing to change career/retire early rather than be forced to take the vaccine. This isn't because the vaccine is necessarily a bad thing but that they aren't being given a choice.
Care homes here lost alot of staff over compulsory vaccination as well. People accept the risks of their employment choices, but do so on their terms, not because they are forced to.
Remember these TV and Radio shows get people in with controversial viewpoints, as it creates engagement (even if that is smashing up the radio because Jeremy Whine is on).  So don't read too much into that.

As to choice, I want to shoot stupid people, but I don't get that choice.  If I had a granny, and she was in a care home, I wouldn't want her looked after by somebody with a deadly, infectious disease like Ebola, or the chinky sniffle.


It may be a small errosion into civil liberties and rights. I get that. I don't want legal restrictions, and I certainly don't want the lockdown thats coming - the first was a novelty, but boring, and we know the economic and social costs...

...but because proportions of the British public are too oppsing stupid and selfish and self centred, we can't rely on them taking sensible precautions like masking up when appropriate (not the same as when legally required) or avoiding crowds or having to give up or postpone plans, we have to have legal restrictions.

I'm sure we've all seen incidents of people entering supermarkets, shouting and swearing at the poor staff asking them to obey the traffic light system and wearing a face covering. Or making a scene at the bar when asked to return to their seat back when it was table service only.  And to be frank, the fact that the residential areas of London during lockdown being fully of large groups of people, because rules don't apply to them.

As I've said previously, I happily, voluntarily take said sensible precautions to protect myself but especially others I might pass it on to, to avoid full legal restrictions. But the british public is thick and 'me! me! me!'.  So I have to settle for a short term/terms erosion of my liberties due to the self centred self-abusers who think the rules shouldn't apply to them.
                 Good post👍  IMO of course.
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Re: Major incident declared in London.
« Reply #57 on: 21 December 2021, 17:40:13 »

My personal view is that "the caring professionals " have simply had enough of the stupid ones amongst us they are simply beyond help, as TB said all it takes is a little extra care to safeguard yourself & others but to some rules & being sensible just doesn't apply.
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Re: Major incident declared in London.
« Reply #58 on: 21 December 2021, 18:49:11 »

Gets me annoyed if I’m forced to wear a mask and I see folk in the same place not wearing one,  shame but it’s impossible to enforce☹️.
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« Reply #59 on: 21 December 2021, 22:06:57 »

Gets me annoyed if I’m forced to wear a mask and I see folk in the same place not wearing one,  shame but it’s impossible to enforce☹️.

Sorry Rae!  :-[

I thought I was exempt being English and all when I bumped into you maskless in the Co-op a couple of months ago!  :-X  ;D
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