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[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

None of the countries mentioned are proposing to hold people down and stab them in the arm with whatever the latest jab is. They're going to fine people who aren't jabbed, and deny them access to certain public facilities - libraries, cinemas, pubs, bars, swimming pools etc.

The European Court of Human Rights has already ruled this is lawful in a case brought by two Czech people. Article 2 (Govt responsibility for public health) trumped Article 8 (respect for your private life).

Oh....much like the Nazi party and the Jews.

Oh course later on they went even further.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

None of the countries mentioned are proposing to hold people down and stab them in the arm with whatever the latest jab is. They're going to fine people who aren't jabbed, and deny them access to certain public facilities - libraries, cinemas, pubs, bars, swimming pools etc.

The European Court of Human Rights has already ruled this is lawful in a case brought by two Czech people. Article 2 (Govt responsibility for public health) trumped Article 8 (respect for your private life).

Are you Ok if their children are excluded from school?
Are you OK if the unvaccinated are not allowed to work and make a living?
Are you OK if the unvaccinated are not allowed to use the supermarket?

These restrictions tend to get 'extended' especially when talikng about countries with form.....such as Germany, Italy, and Austria.

[TheBoy]

OK....so what happens next if a person (as is their right) decides that they don't want to be jabbed ?

Where does it lead?

That depends on what other options are available, but potentially IMHO could mean those individuals have more stringent requirements to certain actions  - I'm trying to think wider than just this chinese sniffle.


Back when I was a lad, AIDS was a big worry. Lets say I knowingly had AIDS in the 80s, a time when I was of an age, if it was alive, humanoid and female, it was fair sport.  Should I be allowed* to have unprotected sex without telling them?

*allowed morally, who cares about legally.

[TheBoy]

None of the countries mentioned are proposing to hold people down and stab them in the arm with whatever the latest jab is. They're going to fine people who aren't jabbed, and deny them access to certain public facilities - libraries, cinemas, pubs, bars, swimming pools etc.

The European Court of Human Rights has already ruled this is lawful in a case brought by two Czech people. Article 2 (Govt responsibility for public health) trumped Article 8 (respect for your private life).

Are you Ok if their children are excluded from school?
Are you OK if the unvaccinated are not allowed to work and make a living?
Are you OK if the unvaccinated are not allowed to use the supermarket?

These restrictions tend to get 'extended' especially when talikng about countries with form.....such as Germany, Italy, and Austria.

We don't have freedoms. If we did, I would have culled 2/3rds of the UK population by now.

[TheBoy]

None of the countries mentioned are proposing to hold people down and stab them in the arm with whatever the latest jab is. They're going to fine people who aren't jabbed, and deny them access to certain public facilities - libraries, cinemas, pubs, bars, swimming pools etc.

The European Court of Human Rights has already ruled this is lawful in a case brought by two Czech people. Article 2 (Govt responsibility for public health) trumped Article 8 (respect for your private life).

Are you Ok if their children are excluded from school?
Are you OK if the unvaccinated are not allowed to work and make a living?
Are you OK if the unvaccinated are not allowed to use the supermarket?

These restrictions tend to get 'extended' especially when talikng about countries with form.....such as Germany, Italy, and Austria.

But for starters, speaking specifically about covid-19, if you refuse the jabs because you are ignorant, arrogant or believe shite on arsebook, that should immediately reduce your priority to medical care for said disease.

That in itself will help cull a few....

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

None of the countries mentioned are proposing to hold people down and stab them in the arm with whatever the latest jab is. They're going to fine people who aren't jabbed, and deny them access to certain public facilities - libraries, cinemas, pubs, bars, swimming pools etc.

The European Court of Human Rights has already ruled this is lawful in a case brought by two Czech people. Article 2 (Govt responsibility for public health) trumped Article 8 (respect for your private life).

Are you Ok if their children are excluded from school?
Are you OK if the unvaccinated are not allowed to work and make a living?
Are you OK if the unvaccinated are not allowed to use the supermarket?

These restrictions tend to get 'extended' especially when talikng about countries with form.....such as Germany, Italy, and Austria.

We don't have freedoms. If we did, I would have culled 2/3rds of the UK population by now.

Only 2/3rds.....you're getting soft in your old age. It used to be 90% minimum.

[TheBoy]

None of the countries mentioned are proposing to hold people down and stab them in the arm with whatever the latest jab is. They're going to fine people who aren't jabbed, and deny them access to certain public facilities - libraries, cinemas, pubs, bars, swimming pools etc.

The European Court of Human Rights has already ruled this is lawful in a case brought by two Czech people. Article 2 (Govt responsibility for public health) trumped Article 8 (respect for your private life).

Are you Ok if their children are excluded from school?
Are you OK if the unvaccinated are not allowed to work and make a living?
Are you OK if the unvaccinated are not allowed to use the supermarket?

These restrictions tend to get 'extended' especially when talikng about countries with form.....such as Germany, Italy, and Austria.

We don't have freedoms. If we did, I would have culled 2/3rds of the UK population by now.

Only 2/3rds.....you're getting soft in your old age. It used to be 90% minimum.

I didn't say I'd stop at 2/3rds. But seemed like a good place to reassess the criteria

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

None of the countries mentioned are proposing to hold people down and stab them in the arm with whatever the latest jab is. They're going to fine people who aren't jabbed, and deny them access to certain public facilities - libraries, cinemas, pubs, bars, swimming pools etc.

The European Court of Human Rights has already ruled this is lawful in a case brought by two Czech people. Article 2 (Govt responsibility for public health) trumped Article 8 (respect for your private life).

Are you Ok if their children are excluded from school?
Are you OK if the unvaccinated are not allowed to work and make a living?
Are you OK if the unvaccinated are not allowed to use the supermarket?

These restrictions tend to get 'extended' especially when talikng about countries with form.....such as Germany, Italy, and Austria.

But for starters, speaking specifically about covid-19, if you refuse the jabs because you are ignorant, arrogant or believe shite on arsebook, that should immediately reduce your priority to medical care for said disease.

That in itself will help cull a few....

I don't think I am any of these and I'm certainly not anti-vax.

If the next variant turns out to be the black death on steroids I'll be first in he queue for jab 3........but for a pissy wet fart of a virus that is about 10% as potent as deadly man flu I'll pass for now.

About 40%  of the population have not had the booster jab......in London it seems that over 70% have decided not to have it.

Have it or don't have it, it's up to the individual.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

OK....so what happens next if a person (as is their right) decides that they don't want to be jabbed ?

Where does it lead?

That depends on what other options are available, but potentially IMHO could mean those individuals have more stringent requirements to certain actions  - I'm trying to think wider than just this chinese sniffle.


Back when I was a lad, AIDS was a big worry. Lets say I knowingly had AIDS in the 80s, a time when I was of an age, if it was alive, humanoid and female, it was fair sport.  Should I be allowed* to have unprotected sex without telling them?

*allowed morally, who cares about legally.

So fussy.

Although I agree on the female point.

[LC0112G]

1. Are you Ok if their children are excluded from school?
2. Are you OK if the unvaccinated are not allowed to work and make a living?
3. Are you OK if the unvaccinated are not allowed to use the supermarket?

Doesn't really matter if I'm Ok with those things. What matters is if Parliament votes to bring those things in, then challenges to the ECtHR will not succeed, because they've already been ruled as proportionate. But since you ask....

1. Already happens in some states of the USA. Can't remember which virus it is - Small Pox, Measels, or summut - but if your kids aren't vaxxed then they can't go to state funded schools.
2. Already applies here (England) if you're a care worker, or frontline NHS. I believe NHS Surgeons also have to be vaxxed for HepB too.
3. Not aware of anywhere that does that, unless you're currently infected and supposed to be in isolation from something.

I get that there are "slippery slope arguments" everywhere in this, and that's one reason I support our current system of Govt. Idiots in the commons who read the Daily Mirror elected by the public who read the Sun and Social Mejia. And a house of Lords containing people of representing the Law, former Politicians who know how it works, and Religeous leaders trying to protect morals. It's not perfect, and yes there are chancers everywhere, but I'm not aware of a better system.

To put it in Star Trek terms - "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few".

[STEMO]

I must remember to quote that one to Lizzie.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

1. Are you Ok if their children are excluded from school?
2. Are you OK if the unvaccinated are not allowed to work and make a living?
3. Are you OK if the unvaccinated are not allowed to use the supermarket?

Doesn't really matter if I'm Ok with those things. What matters is if Parliament votes to bring those things in, then challenges to the ECtHR will not succeed, because they've already been ruled as proportionate. But since you ask....

1. Already happens in some states of the USA. Can't remember which virus it is - Small Pox, Measels, or summut - but if your kids aren't vaxxed then they can't go to state funded schools.
2. Already applies here (England) if you're a care worker, or frontline NHS. I believe NHS Surgeons also have to be vaxxed for HepB too.
3. Not aware of anywhere that does that, unless you're currently infected and supposed to be in isolation from something.

I get that there are "slippery slope arguments" everywhere in this, and that's one reason I support our current system of Govt. Idiots in the commons who read the Daily Mirror elected by the public who read the Sun and Social Mejia. And a house of Lords containing people of representing the Law, former Politicians who know how it works, and Religeous leaders trying to protect morals. It's not perfect, and yes there are chancers everywhere, but I'm not aware of a better system.

To put it in Star Trek terms - "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few".

That was Spock and I broadly agree. However, I don't see how not being vaccinated makes any difference to vaccinated people.

Keir mancervix Starmer has caught the lurgy again despite being triple jabbed, and may well have been infected by somebody else who is double or triple jabbed.

My point, in general, is that I want government influence on my life to be as small as possible. If we get to the point where everyone is forced to be vaccinated against their will then it all becomes 1984 and Room 101.



 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

None of the countries mentioned are proposing to hold people down and stab them in the arm with whatever the latest jab is. They're going to fine people who aren't jabbed, and deny them access to certain public facilities - libraries, cinemas, pubs, bars, swimming pools etc.

The European Court of Human Rights has already ruled this is lawful in a case brought by two Czech people. Article 2 (Govt responsibility for public health) trumped Article 8 (respect for your private life).

Are you Ok if their children are excluded from school?
Are you OK if the unvaccinated are not allowed to work and make a living?
Are you OK if the unvaccinated are not allowed to use the supermarket?

These restrictions tend to get 'extended' especially when talikng about countries with form.....such as Germany, Italy, and Austria.

We don't have freedoms. If we did, I would have culled 2/3rds of the UK population by now.

Only 2/3rds.....you're getting soft in your old age. It used to be 90% minimum.

I didn't say I'd stop at 2/3rds. But seemed like a good place to reassess the criteria

There will only be you and Albitz left soon. It will be your job to repopulate the earth.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

None of the countries mentioned are proposing to hold people down and stab them in the arm with whatever the latest jab is. They're going to fine people who aren't jabbed, and deny them access to certain public facilities - libraries, cinemas, pubs, bars, swimming pools etc.

The European Court of Human Rights has already ruled this is lawful in a case brought by two Czech people. Article 2 (Govt responsibility for public health) trumped Article 8 (respect for your private life).

Are you Ok if their children are excluded from school?
Are you OK if the unvaccinated are not allowed to work and make a living?
Are you OK if the unvaccinated are not allowed to use the supermarket?

These restrictions tend to get 'extended' especially when talikng about countries with form.....such as Germany, Italy, and Austria.

But for starters, speaking specifically about covid-19, if you refuse the jabs because you are ignorant, arrogant or believe shite on arsebook, that should immediately reduce your priority to medical care for said disease.

That in itself will help cull a few....

This I do agree with. 

[Sir Tigger KC]

Are you Ok if their children are excluded from school?  - Unaware that this has happened anywhere..... yet!

Are you OK if the unvaccinated are not allowed to work and make a living? - Northern Territories, Australia have decreed in their latest lockdown rule change that the unvaxxed cannot leave the house without good reason.  Exercise and work are not deemed good reason.

Are you OK if the unvaccinated are not allowed to use the supermarket? - France and Lithuania.

These restrictions tend to get 'extended' especially when talikng about countries with form.....such as Germany, Italy, and Austria.