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[Doctor Gollum]

I wore a mask to make someone else feel better and I still caught it... 

Said person is Incidentally the only person on his shift who wears a mask, and he still caught it.

And fitting a dressing properly would have saved a space for someone else.

[dave the builder]

If I never where a mask again, then it will be a day too soon.

I don't wear a mask and find it amusing when I see people alone in their cars wearing one while they drive.

Wearing masks is to protect other people and stop the NHS getting overwhelmed 
obviously something you aren't interested in 
as long as you are OK 

The NHS is always overwhelmed by something.

They will be overwhelmed by a massive staff shortage if the vaccination mandate goes ahead. Next winter it will be various types of flu, next summer dehydration and heatstroke.

People wear masks alone in their car because they are afraid, not to protect anyone.

If it makes you feel better, then that's great, but don't expect everyone to feel, or act, the same way.

I don't wear a mask when alone in my car 
I do wear a mask in shops and whilst visiting other households etc ,
I social distance when possible, disinfect mail, shopping etc

all pretty simple ,low cost measures that sensible people take

[Doctor Gollum]

Did you do any of that before 2020?

If not, why not?

[dave the builder]

I wore a mask to make someone else feel better and I still caught it... 

the whole idea of mask wearing is to protect other people 
though it does offer the wearer some protection too

Said person is Incidentally the only person on his shift who wears a mask, and he still caught it.

maybe more people should wear mask then on his shift 

And fitting a dressing properly would have saved a space for someone else.

not having 2,500 covid patients per day would save 2500 spaces for someone else 

which is why many people wear masks

which is ,at the end of the day ,what this thread is meant to be about

[Doctor Gollum]

He caught it in his first week there. Everyone else had already had it.

But you avoided my question

[Sir Tigger KC]

I find it amusing that the mask wearing proponents hold themselves up as intellectually superior

You'd have to be pretty stupid to ignore the FACT that wearing a mask reduces transmission 

but think that a scrap of cheap Chinese cloth over their face (that has been described by virologists as trying to stop a mosquito with a chain link fence) will make a difference. 

Any evidence that even wearing low quality masks WON'T reduce transmission  ?
There is plenty of evidence that face coverings and masks have reduced transmission and saved lives .
Even the NHS insist on masks 

Or are you just trying to justify NOT wearing a mask because you can't be bothered or don't care about anyone else ?

Incidentally, France continues to post up big Covid infection numbers despite having one of the strictest mask mandates and general restrictions in Europe. 

353,503 new infections yesterday compared to the UK's 89,176 from similar testing data.  Plague island indeed. 

The French eat snails and frogs legs and live in France ,so hardly a great example 

Over 2 thousand Covid hospital admissions a day In the UK 
that's hospital beds NOT available to the 6 million person waiting list the UK has 

Whist it is no longer mandatory to wear a mask ,even the government recommend wearing on in shops/public transport etc

Wearing a mask reduces Covid cases ,saving lives

What proportion of those are admitted because of Covid? Are admitted for something else but test positive? and catch Covid whilst in hospital? 

Yesterday France had 31,271 Covid-19 patients in hospital, the UK 16,149, so yes wearing masks reduces Covid cases and saves lives. 

[Doctor Gollum]

Is that the same French France that has almost as many people living there and a quarter of the population density? 

[dave the builder]

Did you do any of that before 2020?

If not, why not?

I've worn a mask many times over the years when there has been a risk of airborne particles which are hazardous to health, along with other PPE , not just me though ,masks/PPE have been available for quite a while 
been wearing a mask in shops etc since BEFORE the first lockdown   

I also washed my hands EVEN BEFORE Covid 

Disinfected things that may have germs on PRE Covid 

Have many first aid kits for minor injuries and try and avoid serious injury

thus NOT being a burden on the NHS

I do pay for my dentist and opticians appointments/treatment

He caught it in his first week there. Everyone else had already had it.

You can't say for sure where or when "He" caught it 

But you avoided my question

What question ?

[dave the builder]

What proportion of those are admitted because of Covid? Are admitted for something else but test positive? and catch Covid whilst in hospital? 

that's admitted to hospital because they have covid and need treatment  ,not just admitted to hospital and happened to have covid 

Yesterday France had 31,271 Covid-19 patients in hospital, the UK 16,149, so

why bring France into it 

thats 16,149 UK hospital beds that could be used for the 6 million waiting list

yes wearing masks reduces Covid cases and saves lives. 

Good 
I'm glad you agree 

[Doctor Gollum]

Did you do any of that before 2020?

If not, why not?

I've worn a mask many times over the years when there has been a risk of airborne particles which are hazardous to health, along with other PPE , not just me though ,masks/PPE have been available for quite a while 
been wearing a mask in shops etc since BEFORE the first lockdown   

I also washed my hands EVEN BEFORE Covid 

Disinfected things that may have germs on PRE Covid 

Have many first aid kits for minor injuries and try and avoid serious injury

thus NOT being a burden on the NHS

I do pay for my dentist and opticians appointments/treatment

He caught it in his first week there. Everyone else had already had it.

You can't say for sure where or when "He" caught it 

But you avoided my question

What question ?

The one at the top of your reply

Hand washing falls into the same category as not coughing or sneezing at people and has been an ingrained expectation for as long as I can remember. Not wishing to breathe in cement dust or lead paint flakes is also common sense, although smoking is probably more dangerous than anything else you are trying to avoid which rather makes everything else moot as you'll probably end up in hospital anyways.

Like I said, if it makes you feel better then that's fine but preaching whilst smoking would be somewhat hypocritical... 

The only people who set out to go to hospital are drug addicts with no money.

[dave the builder]

Hand washing falls into the same category as not coughing or sneezing at people and has been an ingrained expectation for as long as I can remember.

and wearing a mask in public is now ALSO a common courtesy now 

Not wishing to breathe in cement dust or lead paint flakes is also common sense, although smoking is probably more dangerous than anything else you are trying to avoid which rather makes everything else moot as you'll probably end up in hospital anyways.

Like I said, if it makes you feel better then that's fine but preaching whilst smoking would be somewhat hypocritical... 

The only people who set out to go to hospital are drug addicts with no money.

Like I said ,wearing masks protects other people 
It's not about me feeling better 

as for Smoking , smokers are less likely to be ill with covid than non smokers or people who quit smoking last I heard 

I'm not preaching , follow whichever religion or don't 

I imagine I will get ill one day ,go to hospital ,even die one day 

I just choose NOT to get run over by the Covid bus if possible  ,or throw other people under it 

I wear a mask

(as per the thread title )

[Doctor Gollum]

Sorry to disappoint you with this shocking revelation, but we're all going to die.

And of course, smokers never have hacking coughs or colds or respiratory ailments or clogged arteries...

[dave the builder]

Sorry to disappoint you with this shocking revelation, but we're all going to die.

but you can reduce the risk by not jumping under busses ,Covid or otherwise 

And of course, smokers never have hacking coughs or colds or respiratory ailments or clogged arteries...

the only way smoking would make you catch a COLD is if you shared your fag or air with someone with a cold and got their germs

Just like Covid ,another virus doing the rounds currently 

non smokers also get coughs , respiratory ailments or clogged arteries...

this thread is about masks and Covid though 

start another thread if you wish do discus the merits of smoking 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Hand washing falls into the same category as not coughing or sneezing at people and has been an ingrained expectation for as long as I can remember.

and wearing a mask in public is now ALSO a common courtesy now 

Not wishing to breathe in cement dust or lead paint flakes is also common sense, although smoking is probably more dangerous than anything else you are trying to avoid which rather makes everything else moot as you'll probably end up in hospital anyways.

Like I said, if it makes you feel better then that's fine but preaching whilst smoking would be somewhat hypocritical... 

The only people who set out to go to hospital are drug addicts with no money.

Like I said ,wearing masks protects other people 
It's not about me feeling better 

as for Smoking , smokers are less likely to be ill with covid than non smokers or people who quit smoking last I heard 

I'm not preaching , follow whichever religion or don't 

I imagine I will get ill one day ,go to hospital ,even die one day 

I just choose NOT to get run over by the Covid bus if possible  ,or throw other people under it 

I wear a mask

(as per the thread title )

Your choice, but how far down this route do you go?

You know that probably 5-10%  of the population will continue to wear a mask 10 years from now because they are naturally neurotic and fearful of just about everything.

Do you wait until the last of these remove their mask before you do?......because some people never will.

[dave the builder]

Hand washing falls into the same category as not coughing or sneezing at people and has been an ingrained expectation for as long as I can remember.

and wearing a mask in public is now ALSO a common courtesy now 

Not wishing to breathe in cement dust or lead paint flakes is also common sense, although smoking is probably more dangerous than anything else you are trying to avoid which rather makes everything else moot as you'll probably end up in hospital anyways.

Like I said, if it makes you feel better then that's fine but preaching whilst smoking would be somewhat hypocritical... 

The only people who set out to go to hospital are drug addicts with no money.

Like I said ,wearing masks protects other people 
It's not about me feeling better 

as for Smoking , smokers are less likely to be ill with covid than non smokers or people who quit smoking last I heard 

I'm not preaching , follow whichever religion or don't 

I imagine I will get ill one day ,go to hospital ,even die one day 

I just choose NOT to get run over by the Covid bus if possible  ,or throw other people under it 

I wear a mask

(as per the thread title )

Your choice, but how far down this route do you go?

You know that probably 5-10%  of the population will continue to wear a mask 10 years from now because they are naturally neurotic and fearful of just about everything.

Do you wait until the last of these remove their mask before you do?......because some people never will.

when Covid is at a reasonable, manageable level in the UK

which it isn't right now

Covid level is very high ,1 in 20

thousands ill or in hospital or off work/school

and if people choose to wear a mask in 10 years then that is up to them

some people wear straw hats or sandals

they have their reasons