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Stop your DD, submit a reading every month, pay that bill, any of your money they have as credit ask for it back.
Your money should be in your pocket not theirs.

All these sky high bills are speculation.

[Lizzie Zoom]

Stop your DD, submit a reading every month, pay that bill, any of your money they have as credit ask for it back.
Your money should be in your pocket not theirs.

All these sky high bills are speculation.

I still am able to have a quarterly bill, with smart meter readings, and SSE have agreed to continuing with a DD payment for that bill for the actual reading. 

The quarterly bill I have just received for gas and electric is just £164, but that is after making economies on usage and buying a dishwasher to cut my gas bill for hot water to the minimum.

[Sir Tigger KC]

Slumped?

I cannotthink of anything that has slumped in price? Mostly stuffgoes up and stays up.

In the case of energy IF the raw materials come down, energy will stay high to recoup losses or to pay fornew i frastructure. Storage, windmills, solar, coal mines etc

I am with
Izzie on this one.  Everything is pretty orderly at the moment. It will only take a small upset.

Crude oil regularly slumps. 2008, 2014, 2020, even recently the price of Brent Crude has gone down from nearly $130 a barrel to about $95. 

A major Covid outbreak in China for example could trigger a commodities slump if Chairman/President Xi put the country back into lockdown, or even just the industrial and financial centres of Shanghai and Shenzen.



Brent Crude prices 2008-2022

[Sir Tigger KC]

Stop your DD, submit a reading every month, pay that bill, any of your money they have as credit ask for it back.
Your money should be in your pocket not theirs.

All these sky high bills are speculation.

This is what I do. OK I'm not getting the 5% discount for paying by DD, but they cannot just take what they like from my bank account either. 

[LC0112G]

Russia, or rather Putin, is the main cause of what everyone is suffering from in many ways. So, what is it that should be done by NATO and the UN?

NATO is a defensive organisation. It cannot and will not do anything unless a member country is physically attacked. The exception is if a UN resolution asks for military assistance.

Russia is on the UN security council, and can veto any attempt to pass a resolution that affects it.

I complain about war and mans passionately pursuing that option so often………but, now swallowing hard and gulping………should the mass armed forces of our nations attack Russia, or at least target the Kremlin with Putin and his bunch of thugs, with a first, hard, and massive strike………nuclear should be avoided, perhaps, but we know from history only a massive, determined, military action will destroy the forces of the enemy. ??  I understand from the various military and media reports that Russian forces are now much weakened, and in fact have been shown to have big flaws, with low morale and soldiers (with families at home) questioning why they are fighting their brothers in Ukraine. Should we bite the bullet now? Stand up to the tyrants? Give Ukraine a massive military boost to finally cripple Putin’s forces and reputation?

What are the thoughts on here?  We would risk WW3; China is an unknown factor, but the civilised world with the common people cannot carryon being seriously damaged, as being virtually squeezed out of existence by a lack of food, heating, lighting, fuel for everything!  £6,000 my arse!!

What that rant is effectively saying is that because we can no longer have cheap Russian gas, we should attack Russia. No. Even if that wasn't bound to result in WW3 and nuclear annihilation it would be wrong.

Yes we need to do what we can to support Ukraine and counter Russian aggression, but that should not be conflated with the errors the west have made in becoming dependent on cheap russian oil and gas. The blame this winter must be targeted at our own politicians who have failed us.

[STEMO]

This ^
We are in the shit and it's all of our own making. I dislike Trump immensely, but he knew what was coming.

[Sir Tigger KC]

Yes we need to do what we can to support Ukraine and counter Russian aggression, but that should not be conflated with the errors the west have made in becoming dependent on cheap russian oil and gas. The blame this winter must be targeted at our own politicians who have failed us.

Agreed. 

Politicians of all stripes I might add. 

[Lizzie Zoom]

Russia, or rather Putin, is the main cause of what everyone is suffering from in many ways. So, what is it that should be done by NATO and the UN?

NATO is a defensive organisation. It cannot and will not do anything unless a member country is physically attacked. The exception is if a UN resolution asks for military assistance.

Russia is on the UN security council, and can veto any attempt to pass a resolution that affects it.

I complain about war and mans passionately pursuing that option so often………but, now swallowing hard and gulping………should the mass armed forces of our nations attack Russia, or at least target the Kremlin with Putin and his bunch of thugs, with a first, hard, and massive strike………nuclear should be avoided, perhaps, but we know from history only a massive, determined, military action will destroy the forces of the enemy. ??  I understand from the various military and media reports that Russian forces are now much weakened, and in fact have been shown to have big flaws, with low morale and soldiers (with families at home) questioning why they are fighting their brothers in Ukraine. Should we bite the bullet now? Stand up to the tyrants? Give Ukraine a massive military boost to finally cripple Putin’s forces and reputation?

What are the thoughts on here?  We would risk WW3; China is an unknown factor, but the civilised world with the common people cannot carryon being seriously damaged, as being virtually squeezed out of existence by a lack of food, heating, lighting, fuel for everything!  £6,000 my arse!!

What that rant is effectively saying is that because we can no longer have cheap Russian gas, we should attack Russia. No. Even if that wasn't bound to result in WW3 and nuclear annihilation it would be wrong.

Yes we need to do what we can to support Ukraine and counter Russian aggression, but that should not be conflated with the errors the west have made in becoming dependent on cheap russian oil and gas. The blame this winter must be targeted at our own politicians who have failed us.

It is not a rant, but an expression of what tens of thousands of families are going through and asking why.  All I am doing is raising the questions that must be in many minds.  Whatever has been agreed in the past by our leaders does not help anyone now, and millions want concrete solutions to the challenges.

Is it wrong to ask the questions, or just take what comes?  I personally am ok, but as I say millions are not. Our politicians, especially those in the Conservative Party, are failing us, and are letting their internal politics get in the way of real proposals TODAY, instead everyone has to wait until 5th September.  Not good.

In my post I am just asking the questions many are at least thinking. I said I do not want WW3, but remember what happens if we let a bully carry on without real action?   

[Sir Tigger KC]

Our politicians, especially those in the Conservative Party, are failing us, and are letting their internal politics get in the way of real proposals TODAY, instead everyone has to wait until 5th September.  Not good.

It was obvious that if the Prime Minister resigned there would be a hiatus while the Tories selected a new leader/Prime Minister, but nevertheless the Labour Party chose at a time of crisis to play party politics and relentlessly (with their pals in the corrupt media) banged on and on about cake for months on end and more or less ignored inflation, the looming cost of living crisis and Ukraine. 

A few civil servants getting lashed up in the basements of Downing Street looks rather trivial now if you ask me. 

[LC0112G]

It is not a rant, but an expression of what tens of thousands of families are going through and asking why.  All I am doing is raising the questions that must be in many minds.  Whatever has been agreed in the past by our leaders does not help anyone now, and millions want concrete solutions to the challenges.

What the people need to realise is that the decisions they took 10-20 years ago are having effects now. The decisions they take now will not take effect for another 10-20 years. Anyone that thinks decisions can be made now to control things now and not have adverse effects in 10-20 years time is deluding themselves.

Is it wrong to ask the questions, or just take what comes?  I personally am ok, but as I say millions are not. Our politicians, especially those in the Conservative Party, are failing us, and are letting their internal politics get in the way of real proposals TODAY, instead everyone has to wait until 5th September.  Not good.

Politicians steer the ship. The current lot (which admittedly are a shower of shite) can only steer it from where we are now. The fault for where we are now lies with the past 10-20 years of politicians. Or more accuratly lies with those who voted for the past 10-20 years of politicians - i.e. us.

In my post I am just asking the questions many are at least thinking. I said I do not want WW3, but remember what happens if we let a bully carry on without real action?   

That is conflating two issues. Yes we must stand up to Putin and his like when they invade foreign territory. No we don't have a 'right' to cheap russian resources.

[Lizzie Zoom]

It is not a rant, but an expression of what tens of thousands of families are going through and asking why.  All I am doing is raising the questions that must be in many minds.  Whatever has been agreed in the past by our leaders does not help anyone now, and millions want concrete solutions to the challenges.

What the people need to realise is that the decisions they took 10-20 years ago are having effects now. The decisions they take now will not take effect for another 10-20 years. Anyone that thinks decisions can be made now to control things now and not have adverse effects in 10-20 years time is deluding themselves.

Is it wrong to ask the questions, or just take what comes?  I personally am ok, but as I say millions are not. Our politicians, especially those in the Conservative Party, are failing us, and are letting their internal politics get in the way of real proposals TODAY, instead everyone has to wait until 5th September.  Not good.

Politicians steer the ship. The current lot (which admittedly are a shower of shite) can only steer it from where we are now. The fault for where we are now lies with the past 10-20 years of politicians. Or more accuratly lies with those who voted for the past 10-20 years of politicians - i.e. us.

In my post I am just asking the questions many are at least thinking. I said I do not want WW3, but remember what happens if we let a bully carry on without real action?   

That is conflating two issues. Yes we must stand up to Putin and his like when they invade foreign territory. No we don't have a 'right' to cheap russian resources.

I do agree with all the above

We certainly need a higher quality of politicians, and, yes, have done for decades.  The problem of our democratic system is of course the politicians have to play to the wishes of the populous to gain their votes. But that is the system of representative politics.

[LC0112G]

I do agree with all the above

We certainly need a higher quality of politicians, and, yes, have done for decades.  The problem of our democratic system is of course the politicians have to play to the wishes of the populous to gain their votes. But that is the system of representative politics.

Ok, so what the people have to realise is that the Govt can't control very much. At best they can steer the ship. What they can't control is the rapids, whirlpools, and mines that appear in the sea from time to time.

If you oppose new nuclear power stations being built, or fracking, or onshore wind turbines, or burning coal, or tidal power, or.... without proposing a suitable alternative then you are leaving yourself wide open to unexpected events. There is literally nothing that current politicians can do to prevent hardship this winter (there isn't time), and if it happens that hardship will disproportionally affect the poor and elderly who are least able to pay for the new world order.  It always does.

Ranting and raving that "something must be done" helps no-one. It is quite possible that the west will be unable to live above it's means from now on, and that might mean a decline in living standards for (almost) everyone.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

The one thing they can do this winter is to effectively pay a big chunk of peoples energy bills. They may well do this if they see it as a vote winner, and then let future generations find a way to pay for it somehow, just like the rest of the £ trillions they have put on the credit card in recent times.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

https://youtu.be/FfJv9QYrlwg

For all his undoubted faults the orange man may have a point here.

[Sir Tigger KC]

The one thing they can do this winter is to effectively pay a big chunk of peoples energy bills. They may well do this if they see it as a vote winner, and then let future generations find a way to pay for it somehow, just like the rest of the £ trillions they have put on the credit card in recent times.

This what they will do. The Government must do something hysteria is already ramping up and people are expecting the handouts to pay their bills.

All those thousands of people who have got stuck in airports and the Channel ports going off on holidays don't seem too worried about paying their bills in a few months time do they?