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[Sir Tigger KC]

I dont buy that tbh. We are told that employers in hospitality, farming and many other relatively low skilled industries have a dire shortage of workers. They blame Brexit and it causing the end of an almost infinite supply of low skilled / low paid workers.
There are over 1.5 million people claiming unemployment benefits in the UK, and thats without starting into how many shirkers have conned their way onto the disability gravy train.
There is a shortage of skilled workers in certain industries, but that can be solved the same way other major industrialised countries solve it.
Issue work permits to foreign workers for as long as they are needed. After X years they can if they wish, apply for residency.

Officially Britain has one of the lowest unemployment rates in Europe and the Western World, the reality is that about 5 million people live on state benefits of one sort or another. 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

It’s crazy there’s hardly any women and kids, it’s a passive invasion

There is an immense demographic change going to occur in UK in the next 10 to 20 years which will destroy the way of life we/you know today .

Brace yourself .....

The (politically) awkward thing is that the UK needs significant immigration to deal with our ever decreasing ratio of working people to non working. Kids are entering the workforce later, working fewer hours for wages (and therefore taxes) that aren't rising as fast as the pension bill. Which no politician would dare change as all the wrinklies vote in huge numbers.

The problem is that "being tough" (which they aren't btw) on the types of immigration that people rightly don't want, makes the UK less appealing to the type of people we need. 

This 'may' true but trying to sort this out with an endless supply of 'dark foreign johnnies' is not the answer.

When these people grow old we will need yet more young people from other countries and so it goes round in a never ending loop until Britain is no longer Britain. This is already the case in certain parts of the UK.

[Viral_Jim]

I dont buy that tbh. We are told that employers in hospitality, farming and many other relatively low skilled industries have a dire shortage of workers. They blame Brexit and it causing the end of an almost infinite supply of low skilled / low paid workers.

There is an issue that employers aren't paying enough for people to do certain jobs (supply and demand working not the way they want it to). But, the number of over 65's went up about 23% from 2009 to 2019, vs an overall population increase (including the 'mass immigration' everyone gets so worked up about) of 7%. The government reckons that in 20yrs time 25% of the uk population will be over 65 - 17.4m people.

Even if you could manage to turf everyone off employment benefit and into jobs that are well paid enough fpr them to pay a reasonable level of tax, you can't bridge the gap without a lot of immigration. Particularly while every government remains obsessed with the triple lock on pensions, which even a simpleton can see isn't sustainable in the long term.

[Viral_Jim]

This 'may' true but trying to sort this out with an endless supply of 'dark foreign johnnies' is not the answer.

I don't disagree, we need skilled people of working age to do the jobs we need them to do. The problem is that these people are by definition very geographically mobile and have a choice of where they ply their trade. A decade or two of cheap political stunts, such as this 'hostile environment bollix', shipping a handful of people to Rwanda and some of the rhetoric the leave campaign used isn't going to attract those people. If they are going to goto the effort of moving to a different country, why would they bother coming here?

At the moment we seem to be achieving two own goals at the same time. Firstly by not actually controlling problematic immigration and secondly by making ourselves unattractive to the type of migrants we do want/need 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

This 'may' true but trying to sort this out with an endless supply of 'dark foreign johnnies' is not the answer.

I don't disagree, we need skilled people of working age to do the jobs we need them to do. The problem is that these people are by definition very geographically mobile and have a choice of where they ply their trade. A decade or two of cheap political stunts, such as this 'hostile environment bollix', shipping a handful of people to Rwanda and some of the rhetoric the leave campaign used isn't going to attract those people. If they are going to goto the effort of moving to a different country, why would they bother coming here?

At the moment we seem to be achieving two own goals at the same time. Firstly by not actually controlling problematic immigration and secondly by making ourselves unattractive to the type of migrants we do want/need 

The pensioner time bomb is only going to get worse.

It appears the first state pension was implemented by the Liberal government in 1908. It was 7/6d ( about £23 today) and only given to those over the age of 70.

This was fine because.......The amount was small and most people died well before 70 usually of pox or consumption. and also because there was probably 30 people of working age to each pensioner.

Not sure of the exact figure but I think there are less than 3 people of working age to each coffin dodger in 2022. It is not sustainable.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

The real answer is to shrink the state. We now live in a Socialist country, regardless of who wins elections.
Much of the population is addicted to welfare in one form or another.
It needs to change fundamentally so that all but the most genuinely helpless stand on their own feet and provide for themselves, and that includes providing for their old age.
And also providing for non emergency healthcare. The NHS (now the GHS) is an impossibly expensive experiment that just hasnt worked.
Of course its now well past the point where a Government can try to do this, because buying votes with future generations money is how they win power, and stay in power.
So,I go back to what I said a couple of months ago. This country (in fact the Western world) is fooked.
Its beyond hope. It has been destroyed from the inside out by the liberal left.

[TheBoy]

Is it bad that I think Rwanda is a good idea also...........

Yes. Very bad.  You're showing your liberal leftie side...

...TB for President.  I'll show them a proper deterrent.


TBH, how can anyone claim asylum in the UK.  They should claim it in the first safe country, then use the official methods to move to other countries.

[Raeturbo]

It seems everyone you discuss this with are saying what we are, how is it able to go on, where are the supporters surely they are the minority, how are they having it their way in a so called democracy? And I don’t just mean on here it’s very much almost everybody I speak to anyway.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

The European court of human rights has a lot to do with it (as of course does the mainstream media). It was a good idea supported by the British after WW2, but like most of the other levers of power, it has been hiacked by the so called liberal left.

[Rangie]

She's a celebrity get her out of here..😂

[Varche]

She's a celebrity get her out of here..😂

I think Rishi hired her as a side show to keep the focus away from whatever he is doing. ( not COP27) she will crash and burn.

[Sir Tigger KC]

She's a celebrity get her out of here..😂

I think Rishi hired her as a side show to keep the focus away from whatever he is doing. ( not COP27) she will crash and burn.

He's busy plotting with Jeremy kHunt to decide what taxes to hike and by how much.  25% VAT anyone? 

Meanwhile the Bank of England is to start selling off its stockpile of government bonds.....  at a loss! 

It's OK though as the Treasury will cover the losses, which will amount to around £11bn this year. 

So it's fine for hard pressed British taxpayers to cover losses on bonds that the Bank of England doesn't have to sell, but cutting taxes was impossible. Apparently. 

[Nick W]

She's a celebrity get her out of here..😂

I think Rishi hired her as a side show to keep the focus away from whatever he is doing. ( not COP27) she will crash and burn.

She was employed for the same reason Boris was made foreign secretary: to appease their followers until they opps up badly enough to be banished to the back benches forever. It's a risky strategy when the entire cabinet is utterly useless.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

On the other hand - if she were to succeed in stopping the dinghies coming, and the economy returns to something like normal (whether by circumstance or design), the Tories would walk the next election.
And then she would be after Rishi,s job.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

She's a celebrity get her out of here..😂

I think Rishi hired her as a side show to keep the focus away from whatever he is doing. ( not COP27) she will crash and burn.

She was employed for the same reason Boris was made foreign secretary: to appease their followers until they opps up badly enough to be banished to the back benches forever. It's a risky strategy when the entire Parliament is utterly useless.

Ftfy.