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[Dusty]

Odd turn in the last few posts sic "Why would a single adult be there"  ... are single adults now some form of pariah ?? Am I only allowed to leave the house accompanied now ?? why do I have to prove a "need" to be somewhere, walk somewhere ??... This is PC taking yet another turn for the worse ...

Surely a single adult has the right to go wherever 2 adults .. or 2 adults and a child .. or any other combination ... has the right to go

 

Absolutely spot on. And what gives some glorified parky the right to make moral judgements about the type of person we are.
This thread has shades of the Tesco madness thread recently where people are making judgements about other people which have no basis in law.

[Kevin Wood]

Odd turn in the last few posts sic "Why would a single adult be there"  ... are single adults now some form of pariah ??

Absolutely!

I often take a walk into town at lunch time, and I often sit in the park eating my chips / more healthy fodder as it's a nicer environment than sitting in front of my PC to while away my lunch hour.

I don't have kids. I do pay the Council well over 2 grand council tax a year and one of the few amenities I get in return is a park, as I understand it.

If they want to know what I'm doing visiting the park I've paid them to provide they will be told in no uncertain terms to Foxtrott Oscar and mind their own business.

Kevin

[HolyCount]

Trouble is though -- no-one can win.  If we want the freedom to do as we wish, unchallenged, then we have to accept that the wrong doers amongst us will also go unchallenged and basically get away with whatever they are up to.

We often ask the question, "Why were they allowed to do *whatever* without anyone asking what they were up to?" or "How could we (society) allow this to happen?" ......... because the freedom we cherish allows it .... so we have to live with it!

[Timbuk]

Trouble is though -- no-one can win.  If we want the freedom to do as we wish, unchallenged, then we have to accept that the wrong doers amongst us will also go unchallenged and basically get away with whatever they are up to.

We often ask the question, "Why were they allowed to do *whatever* without anyone asking what they were up to?" or "How could we (society) allow this to happen?" ......... because the freedom we cherish allows it .... so we have to live with it!

Thats it in a nut shell really, no one can win :-/ but if it makes the world a safer place for our kids then so be it

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Oh, Tut, tut, tut.......

Whatever next? I was watching the evening news and saw that Telford local council, has implemented a new stop and question for single people as to what they are doing in the park.

The reason they are doing it is to protect children, and I have nothing against that, whatsoever. But surely this will lead to innocent people feeling they cannot visit their local park, for fear of being stopped and questioned.

Surely we are pulling the heart out of society by such measures.

Now everyone is afraid to go anywhere where children might be. Mr Dusty once went for a walk, and spotted a child stuck up a tree. The little boy asked for his help, but Mr Dusty ignored his pleas and carried on. He felt he could not stop to help, incase people judged him wrongly. Instead he came home and asked me to come and help the young lad.

What is wrong with everybody, when we all have to watch our backs?

Another example was when Mr Dusty went to the swimming baths, went into the male changing rooms, but was told bluntly by 3 middle aged women that he could not come in until the (boys only) school party had left. Instead Mr Dusty left without having a swim, he was so upset.

Trouble is people see peodophiles everywhere as we know, yet statistics show that they are no more prevalent than they were 30, 50 or 100 years ago. And these are mostly, within the family anyway.

I assume were talking Telford Town Park here? Its a bloody big place with lots going on usually, Wonderland, lots of plays areas and sometimes the fair. My kids are in that park on a regular basis so i welcome the news, wanin any case why on earth would a single adult t to be there in the first place?

There could be a 1000 reasons and most of them perfectly innocent.
Single people should not be made to feel like they are doing something wrong just because they are alone.

[Dave-C]

Oh, Tut, tut, tut.......

Whatever next? I was watching the evening news and saw that Telford local council, has implemented a new stop and question for single people as to what they are doing in the park.

The reason they are doing it is to protect children, and I have nothing against that, whatsoever. But surely this will lead to innocent people feeling they cannot visit their local park, for fear of being stopped and questioned.

Surely we are pulling the heart out of society by such measures.

Now everyone is afraid to go anywhere where children might be. Mr Dusty once went for a walk, and spotted a child stuck up a tree. The little boy asked for his help, but Mr Dusty ignored his pleas and carried on. He felt he could not stop to help, incase people judged him wrongly. Instead he came home and asked me to come and help the young lad.

What is wrong with everybody, when we all have to watch our backs?

Another example was when Mr Dusty went to the swimming baths, went into the male changing rooms, but was told bluntly by 3 middle aged women that he could not come in until the (boys only) school party had left. Instead Mr Dusty left without having a swim, he was so upset.

Trouble is people see peodophiles everywhere as we know, yet statistics show that they are no more prevalent than they were 30, 50 or 100 years ago. And these are mostly, within the family anyway.

I assume were talking Telford Town Park here? Its a bloody big place with lots going on usually, Wonderland, lots of plays areas and sometimes the fair. My kids are in that park on a regular basis so i welcome the news, wanin any case why on earth would a single adult t to be there in the first place?

There could be a 1000 reasons and most of them perfectly innocent.
Single people should not be made to feel like they are doing something wrong just because they are alone.

Must be honest, sometimes I'll eat my dinner in my van in a local park, then I'll take a bit of a leg stretch around the football fields, in the summer there are kids about, I'm not interested in looking up their shorts...

I've got a pair of my own blue gym knickers

In a nut shell, "The only people who should feel guilty are the guilty people!"  

DC

[Golfbuddy]

If you hog the zip wire, you should feel mighty guilty!!! Stick to the swings and everyone's happy.  

[Drewomega]

It is a well known fact that family or the church whichever denomination are more likely to abuse kids violently or sexually.
This council proposed law is absolutely ridiculous.
The UK imho have gone completely pc nuts . What next??  

[Kevin Wood]

Thats it in a nut shell really, no one can win :-/ but if it makes the world a safer place for our kids then so be it

There's a tradeoff between being totally risk averse and having freedom though. When we were kids we were taught not to speak to strangers and left to it, and I think that's what I would want if I had my childhood again. Yes, there were the odd tragic consequences of there being some risk, but not an unacceptable level of risk, and not necessarily any more than is present today.

I for one wouldn't want to be brought up in a Police state that was free of risk, but then maybe my attitude would be different if I had kids of my own?  :-/

It's also infuriating that the bad guys can't be effectively controlled these days without inconveniencing everyone else just to show that somehting's happening, or more likely to meet government targets or some such nonsense.

Kevin

[HolyCount]

Thats it in a nut shell really, no one can win :-/ but if it makes the world a safer place for our kids then so be it

There's a tradeoff between being totally risk averse and having freedom though. When we were kids we were taught not to speak to strangers and left to it, and I think that's what I would want if I had my childhood again. Yes, there were the odd tragic consequences of there being some risk, but not an unacceptable level of risk, and not necessarily any more than is present today.
I for one wouldn't want to be brought up in a Police state that was free of risk, but then maybe my attitude would be different if I had kids of my own?  :-/

It's also infuriating that the bad guys can't be effectively controlled these days without inconveniencing everyone else just to show that somehting's happening, or more likely to meet government targets or some such nonsense.

Kevin

You are probably quite correct -- the problem these days isn't so much increased risk, more increased paranioa, fuelled by the sensation seeking media

[Taxi_Driver]

My comment on this thread, is that i will not carry children unaccompanied by an adult, It is on file at my office, that i will not do so, in fact the computer that sends us the work, has been programmed never to send me these jobs. They are usually school runs.
My reason for it.....for example....i have a misbehaving child in the back....i tell him to behave or shut it...or whatever.....he/she decides to get his/her own back and tells mum/dad a story......who's gonna get believed? i know id be in BIG trouble.....and very time consuming trying to prove my innocence......

I could install expensive in car CCTV.......but why should I???

So the way society is becoming......easiest option for me is not to put myself in a position where I could have an allegation made

Sad......but there you go!

Edit....PS im not the only driver that refuses to carry children unaccompanied......quite a few do.

[Dave-C]

Just a point, if they were to send the parking attendants to the parks to watch out for paedo's that would be useful, that'd save the ba5tards ticketing cars parked on yellows where yellows needn't be, other than for generating revenue.....

Diversified didn't I... :-/

[Dave-C]

If the British Government tell Gary Glitter to go and fly his kite,

Where will he go?

 

[Kevin Wood]

If the British Government tell Gary Glitter to go and fly his kite,

Where will he go?

 

I don't mind. They should make sure it's a power kite and wrap the string round a certain part of his anatomy first though.

Kevin

[jereboam]

Silly story: a few years back, a friend of mine took some family photos on a film camera - I can't remember exactly what the occasion was, but it was important to him.  Before he could take the film in to be developed, his six year old son got hold of the camera and (my friend believed) took a picture of his four year old brother's backside.  

The boys found this highly amusing.  My friend didn't.  He felt that he could be in trouble if he took the film in to be developed and the photo lab technician reported him to the police, so he threw the film away, losing the pictures he had wanted.  

If it had been me, I would have taken the film to professional photographer and explained the situation, but my friend felt he was under so much pressure that he couldn't dare risk it - he had visions of his children being taken into care.