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Selling out UK security to the globalists?

Started by Migalot, 13 December 2023, 12:05:59

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Migalot

Excellent interview with Jim Ferguson. :y

I was always happy to support an EU which was solely interested in trade and free movement. As soon as it became deeply political, I had worries so that's why I voted for Brexit. Seems my fears are coming true, but Brexit may not stop it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCIJeqseEec

Migv6 le Frog Fan

Sunak, Cameron etc... committed Globalists.
Starmer also and he will be advised by Blair, an arch Globalist.
Its weird being the same age as old people !

Migalot

Quote from: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 13 December 2023, 12:47:16
Sunak, Cameron etc... committed Globalists.
Starmer also and he will be advised by Blair, an arch Globalist.

Indeed. Time for Reform. Labour/Tories are one globalist uniparty.

ronnyd

Wish he would keep his glasses on his bloody head.  ::)

Sir Tigger KC

I always thought Britain should steer well clear PESCO even when we were members of the EU, as keeping full control of our armed forces should have been a massive red line that no British leader should cross. That we've signed up to elements of PESCO post Brexit is disgusting, even if it is for pragmatic reasons and we will get sucked in further for sure.  :-X

I did note that Jim Ferguson said that Germany had caused two World Wars and he hoped they weren't going to cause a third. Well, nobody wants that of course, but also nobody forced Russia to invade Ukraine, and nearly ten years on there is still no justification for any of Russia's military actions in their neighbours territory.  >:(
RIP Paul 'Luvvie' Lovejoy

Politically homeless ......

Migalot

Quote from: Sir Tigger KC on 14 December 2023, 18:59:38
I always thought Britain should steer well clear PESCO even when we were members of the EU, as keeping full control of our armed forces should have been a massive red line that no British leader should cross. That we've signed up to elements of PESCO post Brexit is disgusting, even if it is for pragmatic reasons and we will get sucked in further for sure.  :-X

I did note that Jim Ferguson said that Germany had caused two World Wars and he hoped they weren't going to cause a third. Well, nobody wants that of course, but also nobody forced Russia to invade Ukraine, and nearly ten years on there is still no justification for any of Russia's military actions in their neighbours territory. >:(

It's been only two years and there are many events during the preceding years – particularly the Maidan coup in 2014 – which, rightly or wrongly, prompted the war. I have read a great deal about it and I can honestly say that Putin didn't wake up one morning and think "I'm bored. I think I'll invade Ukraine". However, listening and watching the Western mainstream media, you'd be forgiven for believing that.

Sir Tigger KC

Quote from: Migalot on 14 December 2023, 21:38:38
Quote from: Sir Tigger KC on 14 December 2023, 18:59:38
I always thought Britain should steer well clear PESCO even when we were members of the EU, as keeping full control of our armed forces should have been a massive red line that no British leader should cross. That we've signed up to elements of PESCO post Brexit is disgusting, even if it is for pragmatic reasons and we will get sucked in further for sure.  :-X

I did note that Jim Ferguson said that Germany had caused two World Wars and he hoped they weren't going to cause a third. Well, nobody wants that of course, but also nobody forced Russia to invade Ukraine, and nearly ten years on there is still no justification for any of Russia's military actions in their neighbours territory. >:(

It's been only two years and there are many events during the preceding years – particularly the Maidan coup in 2014 – which, rightly or wrongly, prompted the war. I have read a great deal about it and I can honestly say that Putin didn't wake up one morning and think "I'm bored. I think I'll invade Ukraine". However, listening and watching the Western mainstream media, you'd be forgiven for believing that.

They invaded and annexed Crimea in 2014 and have been active in the Donbass since then as well.  ::)
RIP Paul 'Luvvie' Lovejoy

Politically homeless ......


Migv6 le Frog Fan

I believe that the expansionist policies of NATO and the  EU gave Putin the excuse to do what he did, but now he has done it he must be stopped regardless that.
Its weird being the same age as old people !

Sir Tigger KC

Quote from: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 14 December 2023, 22:16:12
I believe that the expansionist policies of NATO and the  EU gave Putin the excuse to do what he did, but now he has done it he must be stopped regardless that.

It was the EU and their Association Agreement which kicked it all off much more than NATO, as Putin didn't want Ukraine becoming an EU satellite.

There was never any prospect of Ukraine joining NATO, although if they had joined maybe this mess wouldn't be happening.  :-X
RIP Paul 'Luvvie' Lovejoy

Politically homeless ......

Migv6 le Frog Fan

Not Ukraine as such, but apparently NATO gave asurances to Russia when the USSR was coming apart that they wouldnt expand eastwards towards Russia.
Then rather than fully welcome and embrace Russia into the civilised international community, NATO (at Clintons behest I believe) said break em, and expanded to the east towards Russia.
If Ukraine joins the mission will be almost complete, but at what cost ?
Then we have the EU who were up to their necks in the overthrowing of the Ukrainian Govt. in 2014, hoping to expand their empire. Again, it looks like its going to happen, but at what cost ?
We are living in scary times which could easily become a lot scarier.  :(
Its weird being the same age as old people !

Varche

Too right , we live in scary times.

Throw in the planet getting warmer from whatever causes and the use of genie out of the bottle AI and nothing will bring peace until there is a world government.
The biggest joke on mankind is that computers have started asking humans to prove that they aren't a robot.

Migv6 le Frog Fan

And yet, a world government is the worst nightmare scenario. Give a me a good war over that any day.  ;)
Its weird being the same age as old people !

Rangie

All the time the leaders of countries just get together for a good old jolly & piss up things won't change, they have no interest of the " rest of us" and if people think they have their kidding themselves. Just live every day like its your last.
Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level & beat you with their experience.

Terbs

Quote from: ronnyd on 13 December 2023, 15:26:14
Wish he would keep his glasses on his bloody head.  ::)

Good interview, but his playing around with his glasses really ragged me off too !!
Wrong Switch Tony......flicking the wrong bit for 50 years