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[tunnie]

Thanks. Very useful. Cheers for sharing.

I’m with Octopus as well for electric, but my sacrifice deal is Lex and they are not so good.

[tunnie]

Considering Tesla Model Y and VW ID Buzz via work. Their prices are good at the moment, better than I’ve seen for a while.

[TheBoy]

As its a work scheme, you dont need to car about issues.  I suspect most of JLR's standard silly faults will happen long after your "ownership" anyway.

To make it viable, you do need a charger at home. Period.  Also - as I discovered talking to some of the Tesla boyz - you might not be able to completely charge it overnight at home, as most tariffs only give around 4-5hrs at cheap rate (so about 35kWHr - and charging isn't 100% efficient).  I doubt this will be an issue for Mrs Tunnie, but bear in mind if thinking of using it for longer days out or weekends away.

I've only been in 1 iPace, with that reprobate DTM at the wheel.  My thoughts where that something that big and that heavy should not be able to corner like that.  Predictably, it was a nice place to be as a passenger.  I understand Mrs DTM loves driving it, and taking no shit off those challenging her at the lights.

[tunnie]

Nice   

Maybe a missed post, but I’m considering a second hand iPace.

Like Omegas their value sinks faster than a brick in a pool.

£20k gets some very nice looking examples. But I fear they will be riddled with faults at 4 years old.

Via work the iPace is considerably more, due to its high list price. (£74k)

Where as Tesla at a mere £43k list, results in the monthlies being much more reasonable.

[TheBoy]

On our scheme, Teslas and iPace are massively different, like around £30 a month.

As a rule, I'm wary of the first year or so of production and wait for the niggles to become known and revised.  That said, we bought a very, very, very early XE

2nd hand, all TVs have crashed.  Also, look at insurance prices, not just for this year, but for the last couple of years (so you can gauge what it would be after a year), as they look to be cripplingly high, possibly why used prices have tanked - this reason alone makes our schemes if you wanted an EV quite affordable.  Sadly, our schemes are EV only, and I'm not yet ready for that hassle.

[Viral_Jim]

TB is correct that some tariffs are time limited, afaik the two that aren't are octopus and ovo. Both give you as much cheap EV charging as you need, with slightly different strings attached.

One thing I would say is that if you are paying for your own 7kw charger install (and having run two EVs without one I would say it's mandatory for a big batteried car), you don't need to pay for a smart ev charger.

We had one because Octopus paid for it. But the octopus app talks directly to the car to schedule charging and apparently can do the same with the iPace. So we could have had the cheapest basic one going, and had the same result.

Also FWIW we've done 855 miles in six days in the car and no public charging was required. I've charged twice at my work because it's free, but I need not have done. 

[tunnie]

On our scheme, Teslas and iPace are massively different, like around £30 a month.

As a rule, I'm wary of the first year or so of production and wait for the niggles to become known and revised.  That said, we bought a very, very, very early XE

2nd hand, all TVs have crashed.  Also, look at insurance prices, not just for this year, but for the last couple of years (so you can gauge what it would be after a year), as they look to be cripplingly high, possibly why used prices have tanked - this reason alone makes our schemes if you wanted an EV quite affordable.  Sadly, our schemes are EV only, and I'm not yet ready for that hassle.

Surprised given the list price difference, it's about £150/m more for an iPace on SS.

It's around £500 for a Tesla Model Y (net loss) ~£900 gross.

Insurance is reasonable, not dirt cheap like the Zaf. It's around £700 on quotes, but yes they do tend to attract a premium.

[tunnie]

TB is correct that some tariffs are time limited, afaik the two that aren't are octopus and ovo. Both give you as much cheap EV charging as you need, with slightly different strings attached.

One thing I would say is that if you are paying for your own 7kw charger install (and having run two EVs without one I would say it's mandatory for a big batteried car), you don't need to pay for a smart ev charger.

We had one because Octopus paid for it. But the octopus app talks directly to the car to schedule charging and apparently can do the same with the iPace. So we could have had the cheapest basic one going, and had the same result.

Also FWIW we've done 855 miles in six days in the car and no public charging was required. I've charged twice at my work because it's free, but I need not have done. 

Yes seen the Octopus ones look fairly good for planned charging. 99% of the time a 4hr window would easily cover daily drives.

[TheBoy]

It's around £500 for a Tesla Model Y (net loss) ~£900 gross.

Our scheme is around £600 for the mid range Tesla - think its a Model 3, thats all whats on ours - and around £630 for the lowest iPace, based on a 12 month lease.  Thats all-in, only costs are electric and any excess should you prang it.  Excess is shocking on both IIRC, due to the scheme uses the company's insurance, and both are classed as high risk cars.  £750 springs to mind, but I'd have to check.

When the scheme started, the previous generation Tesla was £500 for the P85/P90 whatever it was, which was almost tempting - but my usage would mean I'd often be reliant on public charging points.  Made worse by the fact virtually all our office buildings don't have parking, let alone Viral-Jim style freebie charging

I think some of the Mercs start at £220 for EQsomething-or-other, but even as a pure tool, it's too dull to own.

[TheBoy]

You inspired me to look - Cheapest Model 3 is £560, rising to £960 for the long range dual motor variants, iPace now over £1200 - the latter has doubled in a few months!  I shall get on the blower to them to find out why, as thats insane.

[tunnie]

Interesting only 1 year lease? Ours our 3.

Basic RWD only Model Y is £550.

3's are more as it's a newer shape.

iPace was £680.

But these are net loss, not gross, which are always near £900+

Which I'm still cannot justify in my head as an acceptable deduction

[Doctor Gollum]

You inspired me to look - Cheapest Model 3 is £560, rising to £960 for the long range dual motor variants, iPace now over £1200 - the latter has doubled in a few months!  I shall get on the blower to them to find out why, as thats insane.

Someone has probably realised that the depreciation was atrocious before the RRP got inflated to an imaginary number.

You can't have a new car and think you're not going to pay for the depreciation.

[Marks DTM Calib]

We had one for three years (now returned - 21MY) and it was faultless, it cost us £400 (after tax on salary sacrifice) all in (so insurance, servicing, tyres, tax the works) which is a great deal hence we grabbed it. I suspect many of the 21MY cars for sale are these HSE ones with OY number plates 

They can have issues, early cars had heater issues and there is a battery cell problem (covered under warranty for 8 years) which can occur.

The 12V battery on early cars can be a bit problematic to (but is not expensive and is easy to change).

Great to drive, and I mean really really good, not much close to it in the EV world.

They are a gen 1 400V system and hence max charge rate is just under 100A and not for the full charge cycle (not an issue for most usage).

We use to get circa 200 miles range in the winter and 240 miles in the summer but, it depends on driving style and top speed (blatting along country lanes is better than motorway cruising).

We were very close to getting another but, decided five cars was a bit excessive so didn't

[tunnie]

Thanks for overview. 

Anything in particular I should look out for?

8 years is a Jag one right? So any second hand purchase should get that?

HSE spec assume is one to aim for and avoid base S.

Main thing the wife wants is memory seats 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Thanks for overview. 

Anything in particular I should look out for?

8 years is a Jag one right? So any second hand purchase should get that?

HSE spec assume is one to aim for and avoid base S.

Main thing the wife wants is memory seats 

.......and a colour to match her frock.