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[LC0112G]

Being born somewhere, or not, is largely irrelevant. Presumably the people you mentioned reside in the UK legally.

Migv6 said "I dont see any reason why people who live in the UK but werent born here cant be made to carry identity cards.". The people I listed fall into that category.

Identity cards would imply some form of formal registration of otherwise undocumented people. Although you might argue that with formal registration comes DNA and fingerprint databases for everyone at the point of registration. Most people would be just as wary about that as they are about the idea of literally stopping the boats rather than encouraging them.

But how does it stop someone accessing the NHS or other services, unless everyone must have that ID? Even then, Doctors, Nurses and Ambulance people don't want to be checking ID's before offering A&E care, so to do that you'd end up introducing yet another layer of non productive managment and admin types into the NHS structure.

[Doctor Gollum]

Fine, swipe your card to get into the building or join the queue around it.

[LC0112G]

Fine, swipe your card to get into the building or join the queue around it.

So you are advocating that everybody - legal or illegal, born here or born abroad - be issued with an ID card which gives them access to UK services? And must be carried at all times under penalty (of what)?

Can't see any govt going for that.

[Sir Tigger KC]

Digital ID, with our carbon quotas and a Chinese style social credit score is on its way. 

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Fine, swipe your card to get into the building or join the queue around it.

So you are advocating that everybody - legal or illegal, born here or born abroad - be issued with an ID card which gives them access to UK services? And must be carried at all times under penalty (of what)?

Can't see any govt going for that.

Both Labour and Tory Governments would love to do it, but the population as a whole would be unlikely to stand for it.
Blair tried it, but even he, with his out of control megalomania realised he couldnt get away with it.
If at some point they deem the population has been sufficiently softened up enough, they will do it in a heartbeat.
You make a fair point. In practical terms it would be a difficult thing to implement for non UK national residents succesfully, but I would love to see it done somehow.
Its a pipedream though. Those who could at least attempt something along those lines have demonstrated repeatedly over the last 25 years that they are happy with how things are.

Perhaps something like this might work ? -
1.  UK citizens need to provide their health number when using health services .
2. Those not born here and havent been granted citizenship but have a right to remain carry ID cards until such time as they might become citizens.*
3. Anyone who has no legal right to be here can be given emergancy life saving treatment, but then transferred to some kind of prison and kept there until they admit where they came from so they can be deported to there, or somewhere (anywhere) else, if country of origin isnt possible for some reason.

 *People not UK born but granted citizenship will have citizenship cancelled and be deported if they commit serious crimes.

I would imagine for any of the above to happen the UK would need to withdraw from the juridiction of the ECHR as a starting point.
 

[Doctor Gollum]

Fine, swipe your card to get into the building or join the queue around it.

So you are advocating that everybody - legal or illegal, born here or born abroad - be issued with an ID card which gives them access to UK services? And must be carried at all times under penalty (of what)?

Can't see any govt going for that.

They would absolutely love to do just that, but there would probably be civil war if they tried to implement it.

[Sir Tigger KC]

Fine, swipe your card to get into the building or join the queue around it.

So you are advocating that everybody - legal or illegal, born here or born abroad - be issued with an ID card which gives them access to UK services? And must be carried at all times under penalty (of what)?

Can't see any govt going for that.

They would absolutely love to do just that, but there would probably be civil war if they tried to implement it.

You clearly learnt nothing from the Covid period. 

[Doctor Gollum]

Fine, swipe your card to get into the building or join the queue around it.

So you are advocating that everybody - legal or illegal, born here or born abroad - be issued with an ID card which gives them access to UK services? And must be carried at all times under penalty (of what)?

Can't see any govt going for that.

They would absolutely love to do just that, but there would probably be civil war if they tried to implement it.

You clearly learnt nothing from the Covid period. 

Fair point and there's still alot of people running around with masks on. No one ever gave it a second thought before 2020.

[Sir Tigger KC]

Fine, swipe your card to get into the building or join the queue around it.

So you are advocating that everybody - legal or illegal, born here or born abroad - be issued with an ID card which gives them access to UK services? And must be carried at all times under penalty (of what)?

Can't see any govt going for that.

They would absolutely love to do just that, but there would probably be civil war if they tried to implement it.

You clearly learnt nothing from the Covid period. 

Fair point and there's still alot of people running around with masks on. No one ever gave it a second thought before 2020.

If they decide to impose compulsory ID on us, whether old fashioned ID cards or more likely Digital ID, we'd grumble about our civil liberties and maybe there would be a protest march or two, but ultimately the majority will suck it up. 

[Doctor Gollum]

Fine, swipe your card to get into the building or join the queue around it.

So you are advocating that everybody - legal or illegal, born here or born abroad - be issued with an ID card which gives them access to UK services? And must be carried at all times under penalty (of what)?

Can't see any govt going for that.

They would absolutely love to do just that, but there would probably be civil war if they tried to implement it.

You clearly learnt nothing from the Covid period. 

Fair point and there's still alot of people running around with masks on. No one ever gave it a second thought before 2020.

If they decide to impose compulsory ID on us, whether old fashioned ID cards or more likely Digital ID, we'd grumble about our civil liberties and maybe there would be a protest march or two, but ultimately the majority will suck it up. 

Apart from.Malcolm because he still goes to the library to access the internet.

[Sir Tigger KC]

Fine, swipe your card to get into the building or join the queue around it.

So you are advocating that everybody - legal or illegal, born here or born abroad - be issued with an ID card which gives them access to UK services? And must be carried at all times under penalty (of what)?

Can't see any govt going for that.

They would absolutely love to do just that, but there would probably be civil war if they tried to implement it.

You clearly learnt nothing from the Covid period. 

Fair point and there's still alot of people running around with masks on. No one ever gave it a second thought before 2020.

If they decide to impose compulsory ID on us, whether old fashioned ID cards or more likely Digital ID, we'd grumble about our civil liberties and maybe there would be a protest march or two, but ultimately the majority will suck it up. 

Apart from.Malcolm because he still goes to the library to access the internet.

Malcolm uses the internet?      Who knew?!        

[LC0112G]

I feel like I'm being cancelled/gas-lit/dog-whistled. Who do I complain to and what letter do I need to claim to be (gender wise) in order for anyone to take my complaint seriously?

[Raeturbo]

I feel like I'm being cancelled/gas-lit/dog-whistled. Who do I complain to and what letter do I need to claim to be (gender wise) in order for anyone to take my complaint seriously?

                 Nice one👍🤣