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[Varche]

One as in many more to come! The entertainment has started.

Panama
Greenland
Gulf of America
NATO members to spend 5% of GDP
Middle East

[Doctor Gollum]

The only one of those that's actually a bit tongue in cheek is Gulf of America.

The first two are genuinely strategic. The NATO thing isn't a surprise either as he said as much just before TCV hit.

And likewise the Middle East.

Just because the BBC eejits think it's wrong doesn't make it so.

And just because Labour doesn't like it doesn't make it far right either

Not sure why Trump doing exactly what he said he would is such a surprise, especially as that's basically how he spent his first term...

[Varche]

I presume you are talking about third parties and not me. I didn’t say I agree or disagree with him just that the entertainment has started. 

I get why Greenland is so important. Maybe he is trying to get Denmark to spend even more or allow massive American infrastructure.

I do agree that NATO countries are not spending anything like enough on defence especially Spain.

The Panama Canal accounts for a large proportion of Panamas GDP. Why wouldn’t they milk it? Especially as Chinas plan to build a bigger wide Nicaragua canal failed. I would be astonished if the US did take control but suspect it is just his starting point for negotiations. His team will say they will rein him in , in return for more favourable transit prices.

Like I said , the entertainment has started. His style is unique, bigger than unique, a most beautiful unique.

[Raeturbo]

Must agree he’s definitely entertaining . He’s certainly going to stir things up some good some bad but that’s the same as they all do, although Trump operates on a  bigger scale

[Sir Tigger KC]

Re Greenland, I expect a deal will be done with the Danish Govt for a nice big US military base there to keep an eye on the Arctic. 

Although with Global Warming Climate Change maybe it will be possible to grow crops there again in the future as the Vikings did during the Medieval Warm Period, and the Orange One is just planning ahead?        

[Rangie]

Must agree he’s definitely entertaining . He’s certainly going to stir things up some good some bad but that’s the same as they all do, although Trump operates on a  bigger scale

.

I like him he's good for a laugh, a total lunatic but certainly entertaining.

[Varche]

Re Greenland, I expect a deal will be done with the Danish Govt for a nice big US military base there to keep an eye on the Arctic. 

Although with Global Warming Climate Change maybe it will be possible to grow crops there again in the future as the Vikings did during the Medieval Warm Period, and the Orange One is just planning ahead?        

For the future , there is a lot of mineral wealth as yet untapped.

So when Trump uses military force to take Greenland, NATO would trigger article 42.7 and come to the defence. The USA is a member of NATO and would be duty bound to come to the defence too. I guess Trump would divide his forces in two. Half on the attack and half for defence.

I agree though . A nice big military base or two on long leases and dropping punitive taxes for the EU oh and a pardon for Macron and Sarkozy and Starmer..

[LC0112G]

Re Greenland, I expect a deal will be done with the Danish Govt for a nice big US military base there to keep an eye on the Arctic. 

Although with Global Warming Climate Change maybe it will be possible to grow crops there again in the future as the Vikings did during the Medieval Warm Period, and the Orange One is just planning ahead?        

For the future , there is a lot of mineral wealth as yet untapped.

So when Trump uses military force to take Greenland, NATO would trigger article 42.7 and come to the defence. The USA is a member of NATO and would be duty bound to come to the defence too. I guess Trump would divide his forces in two. Half on the attack and half for defence.

I agree though . A nice big military base or two on long leases and dropping punitive taxes for the EU oh and a pardon for Macron and Sarkozy and Starmer..

There are already 3 or 4 very large US military bases on Greenland - there have been US bombers deployed there in the very recent past.

Article 42.7 is an EU thing, not NATO.

Article 5 is probably what you're thinking of wrt NATO. However, the agreement doesn't explicitly cover an attack by one member of NATO on another. Turkey and Greece are basically at war with each other.

[Nick W]

Trump is, as usual, confused.


Here are the explanations:


Panama - he has a thing for cheap and tacky hats^***

Greenland - he thinks it's a source of burgers.


Gulf of America - he's expecting to go there for a round.


NATO members to pay 5% of GDP - has never read the paperwork, and never will.


Middle East - his appendix is grumbling.




Hope that helps






^{**** I know, and you know, that a proper Panama is neither cheap nor tacky, but you've seen how he dresses}

[Raeturbo]

Pity these fkg idiots couldn’t get together and debate like us here with out threats and hostility (for the main) and work together with each other to sort things FFS.

[countrywoman]

Another US leader one sarnie short of a picnic!

[STEMO]

Putin v Trump. Sane megalomaniac v insane megalomaniac.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

One as in many more to come! The entertainment has started.

Panama
Greenland
Gulf of America
NATO members to spend 5% of GDP
Middle East

Its just his style of negotiation. An opening salvo. Nothing to panic about, but the MSM will be foaming at the mouth.
It will always be amusing until he does something really stupid and dangerous, which is always going to be a possibility.

[Doctor Gollum]

For the record, the following was July 11,.2018. Let that sink in while you watch it.

https://youtu.be/Vpwkdmwui3k?si=Yc1VlhIH8fmusN3f

If NATO aren't prepared to up their commitment, then the US may well withdraw from it. Especially as the European members are trying to turn it into UTO.* This is not new news.

If the US does withdraw from it then Greenland would play a much more significant role in the defence of the US.

To Malcolm's point, the Aurora project operates from there and over the last few months things have been getting busy over there.

I fly to the West Coast alot and we used to regularly fly over Greenland, but recently we've always been well south of the tip even when flying to the Pacific Northwest.

Ultimately his role is to defend the interests of the US. He is actually more proactive about that than the outgoing adminitration.

Trump has an unorthodox way of presenting things, and the focus seems to be on the presentation of the proposals rather than the thought processes behind them which actually turn out to be well reasoned.

Protection of the Panama Canal would give trade controls over it, and whilst the UN may not be too impressed by the US controlling it, it would keep it protected from the Chinese.

There may well be war coming, but the threat isn't Russia or Trump.

*To this end, I strongly suspect that the US support of Ukraine will end quite swiftly and without the US Europe will be sitting ducks for Putin or the Chinese because we've effectively donated our military infrastructure to Ukraine.

[STEMO]

Personally, I think Trump has more to fear from his own people than any other country.