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[Migalot]

Sachs is very well connected.

Try watching the video (though it might mean some eye-opening for you), then come back and argue.

I haven't commented on thread, apart from correcting your assertion, and neither will I.
You, like everyone else, have no clue about what will happen in Ukraine, and will find out when you read it in the news.

My assertion didn't need correcting. I know you won't listen to Sachs. You'll wait for others (like the BBC) to give their version.

Sometimes, I despair. 

[TheBoy]

Sachs is very well connected.

Try watching the video (though it might mean some eye-opening for you), then come back and argue.

I haven't commented on thread, apart from correcting your assertion, and neither will I.
You, like everyone else, have no clue about what will happen in Ukraine, and will find out when you read it in the news.

My assertion didn't need correcting. I know you won't listen to Sachs. You'll wait for others (like the BBC) to give their version.

Sometimes, I despair. 

What makes some nobody on Youtube more believable that the main media?  (not withstanding we all know that most media has their own agenda).

If I posted something about Ukraine/Russia on Youtube, would that make it automatically correct?


Like most conflicts, some element of blame can be leveraged at either side, but invariably one side is a fair bit more to blame than the other.  Be that the Middle East, Cyprus, Africa, or the former USSR.  Virtually the whole world aside from China and the Norks agree that Putin has overstepped the mark, and governments around the world have access to far more intelligence that you, me, or some knobjockey making money on Youtube.  A fantastic opportunity for YouTubers to make good money saying something controversial


And like STEMO, I am purposely staying out of commenting my own personal views on this thread, only highlighting inaccuracies.

[STEMO]

Sachs is very well connected.

Try watching the video (though it might mean some eye-opening for you), then come back and argue.

I haven't commented on thread, apart from correcting your assertion, and neither will I.
You, like everyone else, have no clue about what will happen in Ukraine, and will find out when you read it in the news.

My assertion didn't need correcting. I know you won't listen to Sachs. You'll wait for others (like the BBC) to give their version.

Sometimes, I despair. 

Despair away. That's of no interest to me or anyone else.

[Migalot]

What makes some nobody on Youtube more believable that the main media?  (not withstanding we all know that most media has their own agenda).

Jeffrey David Sachs is an American economist and public policy analyst who is a professor at Columbia University. From 2001-18, Sachs served as Special Advisor to UN Secretaries-General Kofi Annan (2001-7), Ban Ki-moon (2008-16), and António Guterres (2017-18).  He was twice named among Time magazine’s 100 most influential world leaders.  Sachs has received 42 honorary doctorates, and his recent awards include the 2022 Tang Prize in Sustainable Development, the Legion of Honor by decree of the President of the Republic of France, and the Order of the Cross from the President of Estonia. He has advised more than 100 governments around the world.

Yeah, just a nobody. 

[STEMO]

So he knows everything there is to know about the history of the conflict in Ukraine. How does that help and why would I be interested?
Is he in a position to stop the fighting, which is all most people are interested in?

[Lizzie Zoom]

Sachs is very well connected.

Try watching the video (though it might mean some eye-opening for you), then come back and argue.

I haven't commented on thread, apart from correcting your assertion, and neither will I.
You, like everyone else, have no clue about what will happen in Ukraine, and will find out when you read it in the news.

My assertion didn't need correcting. I know you won't listen to Sachs. You'll wait for others (like the BBC) to give their version.

Sometimes, I despair. 

What makes some nobody on Youtube more believable that the main media?  (not withstanding we all know that most media has their own agenda).

If I posted something about Ukraine/Russia on Youtube, would that make it automatically correct?


Like most conflicts, some element of blame can be leveraged at either side, but invariably one side is a fair bit more to blame than the other.  Be that the Middle East, Cyprus, Africa, or the former USSR.  Virtually the whole world aside from China and the Norks agree that Putin has overstepped the mark, and governments around the world have access to far more intelligence that you, me, or some knobjockey making money on Youtube.  A fantastic opportunity for YouTubers to make good money saying something controversial


And like STEMO, I am purposely staying out of commenting my own personal views on this thread, only highlighting inaccuracies.

Yes, you and STEMO are right to recognise none of us know everything about this subject, if anything at all!

I do not normally post on General Discussion but I will just say now, as a matter of trying to keep the record straight, and not necessarily my personal opinion, but after reading history most of my adult life, and studying World War II, the twentieth century in particular, then observing the 21st century to date, I will stick with the comprehensive, universally acknowledged "facts" that should be remembered.   
1/  On the subject of the Soviet Union, and how Stalin treated his people, and especially his army during WW2, fighting the Nazis, using hundreds of thousands as cannon fodder.  How 10,000 soldiers alone of the Red Army lost in the Battle for Berlin, with troops killed by their own side by the anti-desertion squads who operated behind the main offensive line if they appeared to be retreating. 9 million military were lost, with 27 million Soviets in total killed.

2/ Stalin allowed no opposition, and anyone who opposed him were dealt with swiftly, including army generals.

3/ On the issue of today's Russia, Putin, and Ukraine, it is known that 90,000+ Russian soldiers have been killed fighting in Ukraine, with reported the anti-desertion squads, or more correctly "barrier troops", operating again behind their offensive lines.

4/ Putin, who according to President Trump "wants peace", invaded Georgia in 2008, then annexing Crimea from Ukraine in 2014, then invaded Ukraine, a sovereign country, in February 2022.  Last night, on day 1087 of the war, it has been reported that Russia launched 133 drones across Ukraine.   But, apparently Putin wants peace.

5/ The Munich Conference has found an American President and delegation talking about reaching a Peace Deal, and (Maybe??) accepting Russia can retain the territories so far occupied.  In September 1938, at the Munich Agreement, Britain's Neville Chamberlain, and others, let Hitler to continue with his army's occupation of parts of Czechoslovakia to obtain "Peace in our time".  World War II commenced on 1st September, 1939, as Hitler invaded Poland.

5/ Putin has allowed no opposition, and anyone who opposes are were dealt with swiftly, ending up in prison, then dead.  Other opposition members are now in exile to escape Putin's wrath, or maybe not if his poisoners can get to them.

Oh, yes.  There is nothing to fear from Putin's Russia!!!

[Migalot]

So he knows everything there is to know about the history of the conflict in Ukraine. How does that help and why would I be interested?
Is he in a position to stop the fighting, which is all most people are interested in?

Stopping the fighting is what we all wish for. However, it would need to be a lasting peace, addressing the root causes of the conflict. The video I posted describes (with video and audio evidence) those root causes. It's a proxy war costing at least 600,000 Ukrainian lives for no apparent purpose. That is what is so evil.

[STEMO]

If you have access to the Telegraph, this is how a lot of people in the know are seeing it:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/02/15/this-is-how-ukraine-war-ends-trump-plan-for-what-next/

[Migalot]

If you have access to the Telegraph, this is how a lot of people in the know are seeing it:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/02/15/this-is-how-ukraine-war-ends-trump-plan-for-what-next/

I don't have access to the Telegraph, but recall how they claimed the Russians were fighting with shovels and using old washing machine circuit boards for their missiles.

[STEMO]

And that plays into what I've been saying on here for years. The UK, along with every other European country are no more than shouty, annoying little nations who are living in the past. Our great history means nothing (in fact, it causes hatred) to other nations, we cannot live in the past.
I'm sick of hearing people say we are the 5th or 6th richest country in the world. Someone who earns £1000 a week but spends £1200 and is up to their neck in debt is not as rich as someone who earns half as much but lives within their means.
Of course, all of the European nations could come together and be a force to be reckoned with. But we've tried that and it was, and is, an unmitigated disaster.


In my simplistic view of life, I like to take everything down to the level of the playground. Big boys hit little boys and take their sweeties. Little boys try to suck up to big boys for protection, as we have with the US for years. But big boys aren't fussed if someone hits one of their little boys , as long as they divide the sweeties. The US, Russia and China will be the three superpowers that shape the world in the future, and all of our governments platitudes won't change that.

Now.......all Trump has to do to make himself a true equal partner is to make sure he can't be voted out. Watch this space.

[STEMO]

If you have access to the Telegraph, this is how a lot of people in the know are seeing it:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/02/15/this-is-how-ukraine-war-ends-trump-plan-for-what-next/

I don't have access to the Telegraph, but recall how they claimed the Russians were fighting with shovels and using old washing machine circuit boards for their missiles.

It goes slightly deeper than that 

[Rangie]

And that plays into what I've been saying on here for years. The UK, along with every other European country are no more than shouty, annoying little nations who are living in the past. Our great history means nothing (in fact, it causes hatred) to other nations, we cannot live in the past.
I'm sick of hearing people say we are the 5th or 6th richest country in the world. Someone who earns £1000 a week but spends £1200 and is up to their neck in debt is not as rich as someone who earns half as much but lives within their means.
Of course, all of the European nations could come together and be a force to be reckoned with. But we've tried that and it was, and is, an unmitigated disaster.


In my simplistic view of life, I like to take everything down to the level of the playground. Big boys hit little boys and take their sweeties. Little boys try to suck up to big boys for protection, as we have with the US for years. But big boys aren't fussed if someone hits one of their little boys , as long as they divide the sweeties. The US, Russia and China will be the three superpowers that shape the world in the future, and all of our governments platitudes won't change that.

Now.......all Trump has to do to make himself a true equal partner is to make sure he can't be voted out. Watch this space.

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That's a very good way of looking at it, and I totally agree 100%

[STEMO]

And that plays into what I've been saying on here for years. The UK, along with every other European country are no more than shouty, annoying little nations who are living in the past. Our great history means nothing (in fact, it causes hatred) to other nations, we cannot live in the past.
I'm sick of hearing people say we are the 5th or 6th richest country in the world. Someone who earns £1000 a week but spends £1200 and is up to their neck in debt is not as rich as someone who earns half as much but lives within their means.
Of course, all of the European nations could come together and be a force to be reckoned with. But we've tried that and it was, and is, an unmitigated disaster.


In my simplistic view of life, I like to take everything down to the level of the playground. Big boys hit little boys and take their sweeties. Little boys try to suck up to big boys for protection, as we have with the US for years. But big boys aren't fussed if someone hits one of their little boys , as long as they divide the sweeties. The US, Russia and China will be the three superpowers that shape the world in the future, and all of our governments platitudes won't change that.

Now.......all Trump has to do to make himself a true equal partner is to make sure he can't be voted out. Watch this space.

And to add to the above, J D Vance was right when he said the danger for us (and most of Europe) comes from within. Our country is full of immigrants who don't share our history and, (in some cases) hate us.
I'm not getting into all of the damage being done by pandering to folk who think they can be anything they want, and demand that we respect that idea. And the ones who suffer health or mental problems that excuses them from contributing.

It's the perfect storm.

[Migalot]

And that plays into what I've been saying on here for years. The UK, along with every other European country are no more than shouty, annoying little nations who are living in the past. Our great history means nothing (in fact, it causes hatred) to other nations, we cannot live in the past.
I'm sick of hearing people say we are the 5th or 6th richest country in the world. Someone who earns £1000 a week but spends £1200 and is up to their neck in debt is not as rich as someone who earns half as much but lives within their means.
Of course, all of the European nations could come together and be a force to be reckoned with. But we've tried that and it was, and is, an unmitigated disaster.


In my simplistic view of life, I like to take everything down to the level of the playground. Big boys hit little boys and take their sweeties. Little boys try to suck up to big boys for protection, as we have with the US for years. But big boys aren't fussed if someone hits one of their little boys , as long as they divide the sweeties. The US, Russia and China will be the three superpowers that shape the world in the future, and all of our governments platitudes won't change that.

Now.......all Trump has to do to make himself a true equal partner is to make sure he can't be voted out. Watch this space.

Damn it! I agree with you!!

[Migalot]

And to add to the above, J D Vance was right when he said the danger for us (and most of Europe) comes from within. Our country is full of immigrants who don't share our history and, (in some cases) hate us.
I'm not getting into all of the damage being done by pandering to folk who think they can be anything they want, and demand that we respect that idea. And the ones who suffer health or mental problems that excuses them from contributing.

It's the perfect storm.

I agree with you again! Stop it, please!