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Fkight Costs
« on: Yesterday at 01:21:27 »

I saw on social media a link to something that travel agents use to book flights — some kind of dedicated system with fixed or discounted prices — but I can’t find the information again.

I already use the usual Google Flights, Skyscanner, etc., but I get different prices every time I recheck. The way the algorithms work and adjust pricing feels very manipulative and profit-driven.

Basically, I’m looking to see if anyone can offer advice on how to source better-priced flights.

I’m aware that airlines sometimes drop prices on Tuesdays, and that booking in advance is usually cheaper as they try to fill seats ASAP.

Our problem is that we often need flights at short notice and can’t always predict when we’ll need to travel. :y
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Re: Fkight Costs
« Reply #1 on: Yesterday at 01:40:36 »

Since TCV all bets are off.

Price is dictated by demand and the price you see is no different. Before you actually book, clear your cookie cache.

easyJet and BA often sell blocks of tickets to your operators. TUI and Jet 2 don't, but do operate whole aircraft charters on top of their own package flights.

If you're flying to somewhere where there's a cruise terminal, check the port itinery. Departure days drive up air fares... Supply and demand...

If you fly to somewhere where there's only one flight a day or less, again demand is relatively high.

Just because you book a flight through one airline, you may not actually be on one of their flights.

Importantly if you book via a third party, they are the airline customer not you. This is important.
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Re: Fkight Costs
« Reply #2 on: Yesterday at 08:34:07 »

I note flights seem quite expensive this year, for the usual holiday destinations.  Pretty much anything for the Greek islands seems to be around £450 return, by the time cabin bags are on.

I half heartedly considered booking a package, and just not bothering turning up at their accommodation, as that seems to work out about the same, lol.
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Re: Fkight Costs
« Reply #3 on: Yesterday at 09:41:43 »

I note flights seem quite expensive this year, for the usual holiday destinations.  Pretty much anything for the Greek islands seems to be around £450 return, by the time cabin bags are on.

I half heartedly considered booking a package, and just not bothering turning up at their accommodation, as that seems to work out about the same, lol.

The two points you make are linked.

Part of the business I work for is travel agent/package tour ops so we get reasonable market insight on the supply side. The big package operators have booked a lot of capacity for 2026 - betting on pent up demand for holidays ppl didn't take in '25 (and a bit in '24), due to our government's budget sh!tshows and wokists not wanting to travel to Trumpland.

This is why you're seeing a lot of 'secure your booking for only £x pp' offers at the moment as operators need to get bums on seats and cover the deposits they've shelled out to airlines and accommodation owners.

This has made schedule seats more expensive than normal as availability is already down. If you're planning to travel the smart move is to book a package with as low a deposit as you can as current deals are fairly good, but you may find that they get a lot better around May/June if demand doesn't materialise and the big operators start sh!tting bricks. Assuming you *want* a package ofc, which you may not.  :y
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« Reply #4 on: Yesterday at 09:46:59 »

Airlines are in buisness to make the most money for their shareholders, not to provide the cheapest fares to their passengers.

For long haul, the pattern seems to be announce a (quite high) standard price a year before departure. Then there are various 'sales' throughout the year where things are discounted - Black Friday, Boxing Day, Goor Friday etc. With about a month to go before the flights they review bookings, and start discounting seats on flights with poor sales.

Last year I wanted flights to the US. They were about £2K 3 months before, but with a month to go they had dropped to less then £1K. Basically, I decide on a price I'm happy with, and if/when the flights drop to that level book it. More often than not its 2-4 weeks before departure. Weekends are often more expensive than weekdays in economy, but in PE, Buisness and First that's not always the case.

I'm being bombarded with EJ and Ryanair sales offers at the moment!

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Re: Fkight Costs
« Reply #5 on: Yesterday at 09:50:57 »

I'm being bombarded with EJ and Ryanair sales offers at the moment!

I used to have a client that meant I had to fly to Ireland (Shannon maybe?) about 10-15 times a year on Ryanair as they were the only option. Since then I have concluded that they don't fly anywhere where I wouldn't rather walk/swim/drag myself using only my lips.  :-X   
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Re: Fkight Costs
« Reply #6 on: Yesterday at 11:03:11 »

We tend to stay in villas, and not many do packages now.

It also means booking flights late can be a risk, as 12 weeks before departure you tend to have to pay in full for villa.


Not a fan of hotels, particularly as she likes to get up early and sit by the pool until I get up (and I'm like a teenager on holiday ;D)
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Re: Fkight Costs
« Reply #7 on: Yesterday at 12:58:27 »

Remember years ago (80's)  the best deals where the last minute ones.

One couple used to go to east midlands with luggage for hot or cold travel.

They once had 10 day in a 3 star hotel somewhere  for £3 each they said.
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Re: Fkight Costs
« Reply #8 on: Yesterday at 14:38:03 »

To Jaime's point about buying a package and simply not staying at their hotel... you can book a flight and car package with us anywhere on the OneWorld network.

Most of our flights are full. The exception being random short haul flights where we either have two or more flights timed closely together (for slot retention and connection purposes) or  places that aren't exactly on the radar... Dusseldorf being a case in point. The wokists have shot themselves in the head wrt the US. Over two thirds of our east bound trans Atlantic passengers are connecting on to other flights. Going west it's a smaller number but it's probably 50/50 business and leisure both ways although the actual ratio in Club  varies route to route.

Basically we sell to the people who want to travel and there's no shortage of Americans and Europeans travelling either way.


The morons running the UK haven't helped by doubling APD :-X
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« Reply #9 on: Yesterday at 20:40:15 »

... you can book a flight and car package with us anywhere on the OneWorld network.

The problem with that is that the majority of PAX getting off at the destination end up hiring a car from the company paired with the airline. That leads to 'effin big queues at Hertz, and no-one at the Avis/Europcar/Alamo desks. So I would always book a car from a rental company NOT paired with the airline I arrived on.

Also BA are the only airline that have ever bumped me off - twice in fact. EJ and Ryanair never have, and as long as you play by their rules they'll get you there. So I avoid BA as best as I can, although sometimes I'm forced to uses them due to route or time constraints.
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Re: Fkight Costs
« Reply #10 on: Today at 08:19:58 »

Hired a Ford Mustang convertible when we were in San Francisco a few years back & returned it to a very dodgy looking car lot in LA as agreed when I collected it, the guy who I gave the keys to asked if I had enjoyed driving it,
" Yes it's been great" I replied, 500 bucks & it's yours to keep was his reply in all honesty I think he was quite serious.
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« Reply #11 on: Today at 08:42:12 »

... you can book a flight and car package with us anywhere on the OneWorld network.

The problem with that is that the majority of PAX getting off at the destination end up hiring a car from the company paired with the airline. That leads to 'effin big queues at Hertz, and no-one at the Avis/Europcar/Alamo desks. So I would always book a car from a rental company NOT paired with the airline I arrived on.

Also BA are the only airline that have ever bumped me off - twice in fact. EJ and Ryanair never have, and as long as you play by their rules they'll get you there. So I avoid BA as best as I can, although sometimes I'm forced to uses them due to route or time constraints.
We have a corporate code for Hertz, but our primary Car rental tie in is with Avis and Budget. I get three different ways to book, only one of which is retail, and will research the prices ahead and book whichever is preferred the day I fly, ie when I know for certain the flight is operating... (You'd like to think that there is certainty with this, but I have worked on the frontline long enough to know better... It blows my mind how many of my colleagues get all upset about relatively minor disruption in an industry where 24 hour delays were once routine). I would never wait until I landed to get a car unless it was an emergency.

There are several potential reasons for getting bumped. It's not always the result of overselling that causes it, but disruption (not always immediately obvious as it could be elsewhere in the network), last minute aircraft changes where a flight is sold on one variant but gets switched to another due to an issue impacting the original aircraft (again this could be environmental issues elsewhere such as weather where the original aircraft was coming in from rather than a technical fault) as our 787s are being refitted they have fewer business seats which sees people getting bumped down a cabin, and it's quite often the lowest fare paid that gets knocked out of the back to make space. Broken/locked out seats are another cause of this. A large number of delayed connecting passengers can impact availability on subsequent flights, as can missing your own connection.

Booking  a cheap return flight to somewhere like Copenhagen and then book your trans Atlantic flight from there may offer some extra bump protection and actually be cheaper than flying direct from Heathrow, just be sure to allow enough leeway for your subsequent connections. Again booking direct rather than through an agency affords greater protection because it makes you the customer of the airline rather than a customer of the agenct who in turn becomes the customer of the airline. Doing this should also protect your connections by not allowing you to book a ten minute connection :-X I have seen the impact of this first hand where flights get changed for any number of reasons and the "customer" ie the agency that sold the passenger the ticket gets informed of the changes but fails to pass this on to the passenger. Had they booked directly, they would have been updated directly.

I know BA isn't perfect, I work for them inspite of that, and I quite often fly with The Orange Product because that particular route works better for me. I have never, and will never fly with Spud-U-Like for several reasons, none of them positive.
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