Israel and USA v Iran Middle East war

[Varche]

Should Europe be answering Trump's rallying call and sending ships to help keep Straits of Hormuz open?

Is this a ploy to permanently disrupt Middle East oil sales so that America can fill the shortfall by pumping more and extracting oil from Venezuela? Where will China get its oil from? Maybe America?

Is there actually a plan beyond next week?

What are the 5000 troops on their way to the Middle East going to do? Secure Kharg island?

[Doctor Gollum]

Get your head out of the corner of the box, there's a much bigger picture at play. Focusing on Trump 'because he's XYZ' totally blinds people from what's actually happening. The media are doing nothing but directing the narrative they way they want you to see it.

For example, the strategic attack of Kharg Island... Portrayed as a flop because all the oil infrastructure was left intact. In reality an extremely well executed surgical operation. Why destroy all the oil infrastructure if you then have to spend years reinstalling it?

Not getting involved in Hormuz would be a deliberate leftist action designed to control the narrative of fear in order to drive the cost of fuel through the roof to satisfy the WEF and their green agenda.


The Nefarious few hoped that cancelling the insurance would put a stop to the movement of the oil  Sitting on their thumbs is their only play left unless China actively gets involved. At this point Europe would have to make a choice, and then their true colours will show.

And when that happens we had better start learning Mandarin

We're at the point where we can curtail the quiet Chinese march for global dominance that hides behind the rise of Islamist chaos.

The Russians understand what's going on and have bought their way back into the dollar. And if anyone knows a thing or two about survival, it's the Russians.

[Varche]

I believe that most of us on the forum are well read and informed and able to see through the media reports - whatever the channel . The Khartoum island initiative is a good example.

The EU have declared no appetite for actively policing the straits. Until the EU is federalised it doesn't really have a voice on the world stage.

That leaves individual countries to decide. I don't think it is a leftist agenda not to get involved , more a lack of understanding the end game or even the plan. The USA has a good track record of starting wars but not being able to finish them.  Surely this time there was a plan that didn't involve dragging everyone else into what would easily, openly , become WW3.

[Doctor Gollum]

I don't know how much oil the UK buys from Iran. I suspect not much, so there's no legitimate reason for fuel prices to escalate.

The cost of products that do rely on Iranian oil will rise eventually, but to mark up everything already produced is little more than greed and scaremongering.

It should be a wake up call as the the true price of all the cheap Chinesium shite we adore so much, but everyone is fixated on that five letter magic word "Trump".

If it had been Obama that did everything that Trump is doing, it would be the best thing since sliced bread and Penicillin 

WE have directly allowed ourselves to be in this position and it's time to pay the piper. Voted accordingly.

[STEMO]

I don't know how much oil the UK buys from Iran. I suspect not much, so there's no legitimate reason for fuel prices to escalate.

The cost of products that do rely on Iranian oil will rise eventually, but to mark up everything already produced is little more than greed and scaremongering.

It should be a wake up call as the the true price of all the cheap Chinesium shite we adore so much, but everyone is fixated on that five letter magic word "Trump".

If it had been Obama that did everything that Trump is doing, it would be the best thing since sliced bread and Penicillin 

WE have directly allowed ourselves to be in this position and it's time to pay the piper. Voted accordingly.

Iran, Saudi, Oman, UAE, and every other gulf state cannot get any oil out through the strait. Those oil producers that don't need to use the strait are selling to the highest bidder. That's why the price of oil has gone up.
Simple, really.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Zackly. 

[ronnyd]

Did i hear right that Starmer offered two aircraft carriers to help police the Straight of Hormuz? I thought that one was broken down and months away from readiness.

[Doctor Gollum]

I don't know how much oil the UK buys from Iran. I suspect not much, so there's no legitimate reason for fuel prices to escalate.

The cost of products that do rely on Iranian oil will rise eventually, but to mark up everything already produced is little more than greed and scaremongering.

It should be a wake up call as the the true price of all the cheap Chinesium shite we adore so much, but everyone is fixated on that five letter magic word "Trump".

If it had been Obama that did everything that Trump is doing, it would be the best thing since sliced bread and Penicillin 

WE have directly allowed ourselves to be in this position and it's time to pay the piper. Voted accordingly.

Iran, Saudi, Oman, UAE, and every other gulf state cannot get any oil out through the strait. Those oil producers that don't need to use the strait are selling to the highest bidder. That's why the price of oil has gone up.
Simple, really.

So it's in everyone's interest to muck in.

[STEMO]

I don't know how much oil the UK buys from Iran. I suspect not much, so there's no legitimate reason for fuel prices to escalate.

The cost of products that do rely on Iranian oil will rise eventually, but to mark up everything already produced is little more than greed and scaremongering.

It should be a wake up call as the the true price of all the cheap Chinesium shite we adore so much, but everyone is fixated on that five letter magic word "Trump".

If it had been Obama that did everything that Trump is doing, it would be the best thing since sliced bread and Penicillin 

WE have directly allowed ourselves to be in this position and it's time to pay the piper. Voted accordingly.

Iran, Saudi, Oman, UAE, and every other gulf state cannot get any oil out through the strait. Those oil producers that don't need to use the strait are selling to the highest bidder. That's why the price of oil has gone up.
Simple, really.

So it's in everyone's interest to muck in.

No. This is Donald's party. He let Netanyahu pull the wool over his eyes, so he has to sort it out.
Of course, that won't stop him from blaming everyone else and spitting his dummy out. But he's created a very dangerous situation, and let his blackmailer, Vlad, off the hook.
I never thought it would be an American president that brought the world closer to absolute chaos, but Donald is not a statesman, he's an idiot.

[Doctor Gollum]

Time will tell.

Although I thought it would be clear by now that Trump is no statesman and nor has he ever claimed to be one and to measure him as such is perhaps shortsighted.

[Doctor Gollum]

Did i hear right that Starmer offered two aircraft carriers to help police the Straight of Hormuz? I thought that one was broken down and months away from readiness.

And people say Donald is retarded.

Once the dust settles and the region is stabilised, there won't be a need for significant military presence in the region beyond the routine international patrols.

[STEMO]

Time will tell.

Although I thought it would be clear by now that Trump is no statesman and nor has he ever claimed to be one and to measure him as such is perhaps shortsighted.

Shortsighted? 
He's a fluckin moron

[Doctor Gollum]

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[Varche]

Did i hear right that Starmer offered two aircraft carriers to help police the Straight of Hormuz? I thought that one was broken down and months away from readiness.

And people say Donald is retarded.

Once the dust settles and the region is stabilised, there won't be a need for significant military presence in the region beyond the routine international patrols.

The region will NEVER be stabilised until there is World government with draconian measures ( god help us). I think Israel's thinking is to neutralise Iran, Hizbolla, the hooties etc etc. Good luck with that

[Varche]

All academic now as US says it no longer needs help with the Iran war.

The lord be praised it will all be over soon!