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Discussion point.........The Prius
« on: 06 October 2008, 08:52:15 »

Ok, so we keep hearing how the Prius is going to save the planet and all that nonsense!

But, what is it that makes the Prius more efficient.....your thoughts please before I put you all out of your misery!
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Re: Discussion point.........The Prius
« Reply #1 on: 06 October 2008, 08:55:08 »

erm, it isnt?

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Re: Discussion point.........The Prius
« Reply #2 on: 06 October 2008, 08:56:19 »

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erm, it isnt?


Well actually its mpg is not bad at all.....
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Re: Discussion point.........The Prius
« Reply #3 on: 06 October 2008, 08:57:21 »

£35 a year road tax too :y Still wouldn't buy one tho, can't stand small cars  ;D
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Re: Discussion point.........The Prius
« Reply #4 on: 06 October 2008, 08:57:27 »

Thirstier than a similar sized Diesel car, massive pollution problems from the battery manufacture, disposal problems of same batteries.
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Re: Discussion point.........The Prius
« Reply #5 on: 06 October 2008, 08:57:35 »

i can't see it myself.....

the car has a potential disposal issue, batteries generally have a slightly acidic nature to them for starters.

the whole build and shipping worries me as well.......so lets build a car that has lots of/one huge great big battery, then shove it on a container ship and shove it half way round the world, thus causing more pollution.....but this is a eco friendly car so that makes it all OK (NOT)

Personally i think it is marketing hype, i am not entirely convinced of global warming being as a direct result of CO emmissions

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Re: Discussion point.........The Prius
« Reply #6 on: 06 October 2008, 08:58:13 »

Just a note to all here.....as stated above....we are talking about efficient  :y
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Re: Discussion point.........The Prius
« Reply #7 on: 06 October 2008, 09:01:45 »

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Just a note to all here.....as stated above....we are talking about efficient  :y

that's me knackered then  :(
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Re: Discussion point.........The Prius
« Reply #8 on: 06 October 2008, 09:02:28 »

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Just a note to all here.....as stated above....we are talking about efficient  :y

that's me knackered then  :(


Its a key thing.....and explains why it NEEDS to be a hybrid!
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Re: Discussion point.........The Prius
« Reply #9 on: 06 October 2008, 09:07:14 »

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Just a note to all here.....as stated above....we are talking about efficient  :y

Are you thinking of buying one Mark ::)

It's not made by Sony so it might not be on TB's gay list.. ;D ;D

On the effiency side I have no idea at all, all I know is that a lot of Hollywood stars own one to look and sound good in interviews but then drive round in thier 5.0 Mustang's.  :-/ :-/
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Re: Discussion point.........The Prius
« Reply #10 on: 06 October 2008, 09:07:35 »

The biggest "inefficiency" in the internal combustion engine is the wasted energy in the form of exhaust heat, further inefficiencies for the car itself are things like brake heat.

AFAIK know the prius hybrid idea is to reduce these wastes as far as possible, so the electric side produces little waste heat, and the electric braking turns the kinetic energy back to electrics instead of heat ??

but as I know very little about the prius .. other than its a marketing hype .. I'm just guessing
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Re: Discussion point.........The Prius
« Reply #11 on: 06 October 2008, 09:09:32 »

A hint....from the engine theory

         Opening the inlet valve
Earlier Later
More power at higher rpm Less power
 
More overlap with exhaust valve     More torque at lower rpm  
Lower flexibility Better emissions!
Poorer response at low rpm


         Closing the inlet valve
Earlier Later
Less power  More power at higher rpm
 
Higher compression ratio at low rpm     Compression ratio improves with higher rpm  
Better torque max. torque in higher rpm band  
More flexible engine


         Opening the exhaust valve
Earlier Later
Less pumping losses, bit more power  More pumping losses,less power
Hotter outlet valve    More complete combustion, less emissions  
More chance of pre-ignition   Lower exhaust temperature!


         Closing the exhaust valve
Earlier Later
Less overlap with inlet valve Part of intake mixture goes straight into exhaust at lower rpm (engine is "Off cam")
 
More flexible engine at low rpm
 
More high end power
Less power at higher rpm Less flexible engine at low rpm  
More torque at low rpm  Low torque at lower rpm  
Improved emissions  
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Re: Discussion point.........The Prius
« Reply #12 on: 06 October 2008, 09:09:33 »

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erm, it isnt?


Well actually its mpg is not bad at all.....

Depends how you drive it.  OK the Top Gear skewed the 'test' but I thought the result was quite interesting.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=N8XDscWleKw


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Re: Discussion point.........The Prius
« Reply #13 on: 06 October 2008, 09:10:43 »

Mr DTM, am I allowed to answer  :-X
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Re: Discussion point.........The Prius
« Reply #14 on: 06 October 2008, 09:18:10 »

The answer is already above....highlighted!

So I guess so!
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