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[Bandit127]

I am not worried about him, he is sensible.

Sorry Mike but if that's the case, why did you ask?

I think you are rght about him, but we all need to find out for ourselves when we are 16.  

So it is OK for pubs to serve kids, well don't complain about gangs of drunken youths then, someone served them.

Pubs do not serve gangs of drunken kids. If anything, it is corner shops that do. And if we remove that supply then they will buy aerosols, glue or drugs. I saw first hand the glue sniffing craze rip through kids just below my age in the early 80s.

I don't think it's right Mike that this can happen.

But what I do think is:
Your Stepson is responsible and not deserving any sanction based on your post. He walked the dog FFS...
The problem of 16 year olds drinking (and doing worse) has no more easy answers than it did when we were that age.

[Vamps]

Guys, thanks for the replys, can I make it clear that I do not have any problem with my stepson, he is in no trouble at all, we talked, he is honest and sensible.

My point is about the pubs in question, I know lots of pubs serve kids, does that mean they should be alowed, he does not look anything like 16 let alone 18, this being my point that whoever served him clearly not interested in his age.

[Lazydocker]

FWIW I think the lad has done right... No secrecy and a very sensible attitude towards the scooter. I'd make it clear to him that he is breaking the law and if he ever rode home the scooter would be in bits before he knew what had happened. I think he's been very sensible and deserves credit where credit's due

As for the pub... TBH I don't think they'll pay a lot of attention really. If it's a quiet country pub like my local then they knew the risks and were watching him! My local was still serving late into the night long before 24hr drinking laws came in and were responsible about it. They had to be really... The local Bobby was normally at the end of the bar with a glass in his hand!

[Taxi_Driver]

Drinking can be a very slippery slope, especially for young people. I would keep monitoring his behaviour just to make sure that he keep acting responsibly, as he has done, and if so then I would be happy with that.

As for the Pubs, it would depend to a great extent of the nature of the said establishment,. If it is a small local pub where the publican is behind the bar most of the time, then yes a quiet word would be appropriate. But if it is one of them chain-owned large commercial pubs, then I suspect no-one on-premises would really care, so it’s either talking to the Police or do nothing....

agreed

I agree too....no harm done....sounds like your lad is sensible....and tbh...my Dad used give me alcohol when i was 16/17...his 'excuse' for this was that he didnt want me coming home pissed when i was 18 and drinking with mates....ie i was used to it  

[Vamps]

I am not worried about him, he is sensible.

Sorry Mike but if that's the case, why did you ask?

I think you are rght about him, but we all need to find out for ourselves when we are 16.  

So it is OK for pubs to serve kids, well don't complain about gangs of drunken youths then, someone served them.

Pubs do not serve gangs of drunken kids. If anything, it is corner shops that do. And if we remove that supply then they will buy aerosols, glue or drugs. I saw first hand the glue sniffing craze rip through kids just below my age in the early 80s.

I don't think it's right Mike that this can happen.

But what I do think is:
Your Stepson is responsible and not deserving any sanction based on your post. He walked the dog FFS...
The problem of 16 year olds drinking (and doing worse) has no more easy answers than it did when we were that age.

I didn't, I asked about dobbing in the pubs.

[Mr Skrunts]

Guys, thanks for the replys, can I make it clear that I do not have any problem with my stepson, he is in no trouble at all, we talked, he is honest and sensible.

My point is about the pubs in question, I know lots of pubs serve kids, does that mean they should be alowed, he does not look anything like 16 let alone 18, this being my point that whoever served him clearly not interested in his age.

Pubs in some cases are struggling to survive, I reckon as long as the lads behave, which they tend to do then the land lords turn a blind eye.

I would rather see responsible underage kids under adult supervision (the landlord) rather than seeing urully unsupervised yobs reaking having on the streets supping low cost supermarket booze.

I started drinking when I was 15 and went to a pub in town with 2 16 year olds that looked a lot older and had tatooes, they got kicked out, I was told I could stay.    Funny old world.

I dont drink much at all these days.

All though I do have an excessive coke habbit. :-/

[Bandit127]

I didn't, I asked about dobbing in the pubs.

Just re-read your first post a bit more carefully. Sorry, previous comment withdrawn.  

I still think that, while it's not right that pubs serve 16 year olds - if we shut them down the next available outlet will be worse. 16 year olds need to express themselves and they will find a way...

[Martin_1962]

Better responsibly in a pub than in a bus shelter.

If the landlord knows his age and watches him carefully and makes sure he is responsible I see no issue

[Debs.]

Better responsibly in a pub than in a bus shelter.

If the landlord knows his age and watches him carefully and makes sure he is responsible I see no issue

Agreed!

[webby23]

A 17 y.o. was drinking in a pub near to where I live about a year ago.
he wasnt quite as sensible and decided he could ride 1 mile home on his scooter.He hit a telegraph pole less than 100 yards from his house and was killed.

Exactly what I meant in my original post.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

A 17 y.o. was drinking in a pub near to where I live about a year ago.
he wasnt quite as sensible and decided he could ride 1 mile home on his scooter.He hit a telegraph pole less than 100 yards from his house and was killed.

Exactly what I meant in my original post.

I think this hits the subject originally raised head on!

That is the result of senseless drinking for the sake of drinking, as a means to an end, on who can get totally spaced out first in a night.  

Not wanting to sound 'older and sensible' (which I'm not!! ), but when I was 16 we drank to socialize, to enjoy ourselves with our friends, and yes to be "grown up", but we did not engage in drinking  quickly to get smashed no matter what.  Although by accident of course  sometimes some of us did!

This is the current 'problem' of youth, including, frighteningly, all too many females  as well as males; it is a drinking for the sake of it culture, probably to escape reality (??).  I have witnessed this as many have on TV programmes, and more crucially 'live' when working alongside the police on night patrol. Young woman and men just want to get speedily plastered through irresponsible drinking, then end up causing all kinds of problems for the police and therefore society.

The message has got to be drinking itself is NOT a problem for youngsters, it is the potential lack of responsibility witnessed now with so many, who terribly will end up having their future lives blighted by alcohol; illness, alcoholism, personal injury / rape, criminal record, bankrupcy, unwanted children and possibly early death.

Re-educating the young in their drinking habits must be an aim of all of us,especially parents as I did with my three kids, and as Mike has obviously done, commendably, with his stepson who seems to know his responsibilities.  

Too many others do not, and that is the problem.  My personal opinion yes, but I cannot seem to arrive at any alternative conclusion with what I see around me.

[woodsy_mv6]

When I was 16, my mates (same age) and I would walk up the local, regularly have three or so pints, and walk back merry. Never did any harm, and had our heads screwed on.

Yes it was naughty, but also pretty harmless because we were always brought up to enjoy alcohol but not abuse it.

It sounds like he was totally in control, especially by not riding his moped, and the fact he openly admitted it means he hasn't got much to hide.

I personally would leave it... but that's just me

Yes, but we live in a different time.

On the one hand, at least you know were he is, perhaps praise him for not driving back, but if it persists id be tempted to have word with the manager there.

Iv always been sensible about what and when I drink, but others don't. And as my mother always used to say, "in not what you do....."

Town centres nowadays on Fri/Sat nights are horrible places IMO.

Make sure he stay in with the right crowd....as stated, it's a slippery slope

[Entwood]

Seems to be a fair bit of "pot ... kettle" in this thread ....  we all did it but he musn't  ??....  bit hypocritical methinks.

The lad showed good sense in not driving after drinking ... he's going to drink .. just like we did ..... far better that you KNOW what he's up to and he's encouraged to be sensible than to force him to get devious and stupid ??

In other countries kids are taught HOW to drink .. not taught TO drink... big big difference .. and they don't have a drinking culture like here ... one wonders why ??

Don't start "blaming" or "naming" .... say well done for using your brain.

[Richie London]

i agree with mr entwood there. we were all young once. hes 16 and seems sensible to me by not driving home. good lad id say

[DaveyDavey]

I have to agree with Entwood on this, my thoughts exactly.