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Newsgroups on o2 Broadband? Problems
« on: 20 October 2008, 15:17:39 »
Does anyone here have o2 broadband and use newsgroups? I know o2 don't have thier own newsgroups but I subscribe to Newsgroupdirect, but ever since I moved from BT to o2 I seem to have intermittent problems connecting to various alt.binaries.... newsgroups!

Just wondered if anyone has similar issues?

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Re: Newsgroups on o2 Broadband? Problems
« Reply #1 on: 20 October 2008, 15:41:16 »
It is possible that they are blocking them,some are worse than naughty! :-/

Cool for mp3 stuff though-I use 'usenetrocket' via 'ntlworld' no problems there.  10$ a month for 10GB.

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Re: Newsgroups on o2 Broadband? Problems
« Reply #2 on: 20 October 2008, 15:51:48 »
I have contacted them but no reply yet, I does seem that there is some kind of block on certain ones although I am just talking about the usual stuff nothing naughty. I thought it was my actual newsgroup provider at first (newsguy) but after changing and still getting the same problem I can only put it down to my ISP. Its just very odd, some stuff works and others don't. I even connected to one binary the other day and half way through download it stopped and havn't been able to reconnect since!! I'm baffled!!  :'(
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Re: Newsgroups on o2 Broadband? Problems
« Reply #3 on: 20 October 2008, 16:33:24 »
What are you using software wise to access the newsgroups, have any of the settings altered.
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Re: Newsgroups on o2 Broadband? Problems
« Reply #4 on: 20 October 2008, 16:42:47 »
I use Grabit, Have used it for years. I find it easy to use and reliable. Have tried others but always seem overcomplicated. Not Changed any settings apart from Newsgroup server details etc!!
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Re: Newsgroups on o2 Broadband? Problems
« Reply #5 on: 20 October 2008, 19:25:38 »
They may well be shaping access to alt.bins - and probably rightly so...
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Re: Newsgroups on o2 Broadband? Problems
« Reply #6 on: 20 October 2008, 19:38:25 »
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They may well be shaping access to alt.bins - and probably rightly so...


What does that mean?
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Re: Newsgroups on o2 Broadband? Problems
« Reply #7 on: 20 October 2008, 19:40:17 »
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They may well be shaping access to alt.bins - and probably rightly so...


What does that mean?
They can control the amount of bandwidth used for that particular service/sub service in order to protect their network.
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Re: Newsgroups on o2 Broadband? Problems
« Reply #8 on: 20 October 2008, 19:44:07 »
Hhhmmm to little buggers!! If thats the case I might be switching ISP's again!! Not having that!! I pay for unlimited access I should get unlimited access!
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Re: Newsgroups on o2 Broadband? Problems
« Reply #9 on: 20 October 2008, 19:56:27 »
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They may well be shaping access to alt.bins - and probably rightly so...


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They can control the amount of bandwidth used for that particular service/sub service in order to protect their network.


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Re: Newsgroups on o2 Broadband? Problems
« Reply #10 on: 20 October 2008, 19:56:55 »
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Hhhmmm to little buggers!! If thats the case I might be switching ISP's again!! Not having that!! I pay for unlimited access I should get unlimited access!
All consumer broadband ISP who offer 'unlimited' will shape.  They still give you unlimited bandwidth (ignoring Fair Use/Acceptable use clauses), but just make sure its slower for bandwidth intensive services (mainly p2p and alt.bins).

There is a reason - cost.  A 'Central' (link from BT ATM network to ISP) is around £1.7m per year for 622Mb.  If you do the maths, and 8Mb line maxed costs over £1500 per month in central costs alone - still have the port costs (around £8), internet connectivity, infrastructure, networks, servers, staff, building/lighting/heating costs etc.  And what do we want to pay? A piddly £20 per month?  It won't ever happen.


If you want true unfettled net access, you need to go down the leased line route. Sure, it costs more.

ADSL was never designed for big constant downloads (and nor was cable before the NTL fanboys start), but fast web/email type access.  People abused the access given, and now UK ISPs have to put limits on, be they download limits, or shaping.

BT charge ISPs at a level to ensure the system runs reasonably well, as they won't provide unlimited bandwidth to everyone - sure BT could provide 80Gb links from small town exchanges, but not for the same money they do now.
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Re: Newsgroups on o2 Broadband? Problems
« Reply #11 on: 20 October 2008, 19:59:21 »
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They may well be shaping access to alt.bins - and probably rightly so...


What does that mean?
They can control the amount of bandwidth used for that particular service/sub service in order to protect their network.


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Todays usage.

Peak               24.09MB       
Off-peak       34.25GB    ::)
      
Total       34.27GB
Your ISP has one of the worse shaping policies ever conceived!  I seem to remember the uproar when they introduced AUP/FUP (regular name changes, so they could claim no more FUP, or no more AUP).  Also seem to recall the uproar about them denying traffic shaping, until the evidence was provided to them.
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Re: Newsgroups on o2 Broadband? Problems
« Reply #12 on: 20 October 2008, 20:01:18 »
And as to 34Gb  is a day, there is no legal use I can think of for a single person needing that amount.  There is surely a limit to how many 'linux distros' or whatever the new name for films/music/warez is currently you need?
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Re: Newsgroups on o2 Broadband? Problems
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They may well be shaping access to alt.bins - and probably rightly so...


What does that mean?
They can control the amount of bandwidth used for that particular service/sub service in order to protect their network.


No Probs with My ISP

Todays usage.

Peak               24.09MB       
Off-peak       34.25GB    ::)
      
Total       34.27GB
Your ISP has one of the worse shaping policies ever conceived!  I seem to remember the uproar when they introduced AUP/FUP (regular name changes, so they could claim no more FUP, or no more AUP).  Also seem to recall the uproar about them denying traffic shaping, until the evidence was provided to them.

Fair point, but I still have one of thier original packages, it has added a fair usage policy from 4PM and Midnight, fine by me.

Other than that they leave me alone.  a potential of 43GB  a day if I choose to use it and not using peak rate. :P
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Re: Newsgroups on o2 Broadband? Problems
« Reply #14 on: 20 October 2008, 20:07:04 »
I will admit alot of what you just said went over my head but my bandwidth is small compared to what I used to be, hardly ever use it, but when I do want to use it, its 50/50 to wether it connects. It seems totally random, one newsgroup will work and another won't.
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