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[car.crash]

good evening. im looking into buying a omega diesel. i will be using this as a tow vehicle from time to time for the track car. i was wondering if i should go for the 2.2 dti or the 2.5 dt. ideally i dont want to spend more than 2 thousand. any help would be appreciated or even a link to a buyers guide. thanks for reading this.

sorry for the repost but i guess i wouldnt get many hits in the hi im new section  

[Markjay]

Didn't have a diesel, but I would say the 2.2 is the better unit, the 6-cyl 2.5 was a BMW unit and reports here regarding its bottom-end reliability were not promising...


The 2.5 was available with the AR25 auto box, though this was too weak for the torque and didn't last. The 2.2 (as far as I know) was never made available with auto gearbox.

2.5 were available up to around 2000, so mostly are pre-facelift but you might just catch one with the facelift body. Later cars had the 2.2 and are of course facelifts.

Hope this helps...

[car.crash]

it helps massively thankyou, the more info the better please.  

[car.crash]

i had a 2.2 astra sri with the z22se petrol engine which is probably the same or similar 2.2 petrol as found in the omega, i found it nice but juicy so i guess it would be alot worse in the omega due to the weight so this is my reason for steering clear of the petrol units. i thought the 2.2 dti would be the better lump being newer and more refined over the 2.5 td.

[Markjay]

Also, diesel are generally more sought-after than petrol cars, so command a higher price, and estate even more so. So if you are after an estate, expect to pay more for a sorted one...

As for the auto box available on the 2.5, it will add to the price because most people are unaware of the reliability issues (which can be overcome by replacing the weak AR25 box with the stronger AR35).

[Andy B]

Also, diesel are generally more sought-after than petrol cars, so command a higher price, and estate even more so. So if you are after an estate, expect to pay more for a sorted one...

As for the auto box available on the 2.5, it will add to the price because most people are unaware of the reliability issues (which can be overcome by replacing the weak AR25 box with the stronger AR35).

You only really have problems with the 2.5 if you chip it.
You should always have more cylinders than doors!      

[car.crash]

i wont be remapping it or modifying in any way, i just need a reliable daily driver, i bought a 306 hdi as a cheap car but it has cost me a absolute fortune so time to cut my losses and get a good old vauxhall. im liking the omega as its very plain and draws no attention to itself. yet its fully loaded and bargain priced. i thought they were quite rare but 4000 members tells me otherwise.

[JamesV6CDX]

i wont be remapping it or modifying in any way, i just need a reliable daily driver, i bought a 306 hdi as a cheap car but it has cost me a absolute fortune so time to cut my losses and get a good old vauxhall. im liking the omega as its very plain and draws no attention to itself. yet its fully loaded and bargain priced. i thought they were quite rare but 4000 members tells me otherwise.

In all honesty if you want an Omega, you won't be toooo worried about fuel costs.

Therefore, get a V6. Preferably a 3.0, or failing that a 2.5.

My 3.0 V6 facelift Estate Elite does at least 32mpg on a combined run, the fuel is around 13p cheaper than diesel and is that much smoother. It's also much more DIY friendly (Eg, easily changable cambelt) compared to a TD, by which time when the timing chain has stretched, you have a major job on your hands.

Say knocking around you average 26mpg in a V6, at the moment petrol is 97.9ppl, so £4.44 / gallon. That's only 17 pence per mile.

So for the cost of a pint, you can travel 18 miles - or 17p per mile.

Unless you are doing tens of thousands of miles per year, or running a business travelling up and down the country - you don't need an "economical" omega

You could of course, get a 3.0 / 3.2 and LPG it - although the gap really is closing between LPG and petrol

[car.crash]

i will definatly not get the petrol, it has to be diesel.

[Martin_1962]

Why?

[tunnie]

have to agree, why?

Diesel is 10p a litre more at the pump, you will pay more for the diesel over a V6.

V6's are worthless at the moment as they are belived to be uneconomical. Buy a cheap V6, use the money saved, and fit LPG.

Then it costs just 55p odd a litre for fuel, and you get the silky smooth V6.

[Entwood]

have to agree, why?

Diesel is 10p a litre more at the pump, you will pay more for the diesel over a V6.

V6's are worthless at the moment as they are belived to be uneconomical. Buy a cheap V6, use the money saved, and fit LPG.

Then it costs just 55p odd a litre for fuel, and you get the silky smooth V6.

I'm with Tunnie here .. I tow a 1600Kg caravan on a very regular basis with the 3.2 V6 ... When towing on petrol I used to get around 18 mpg ... at £1.00 a litre thats £4.54 a gallon = 25.222 pence per mile.  On LPG I get about 15 mpg .. at 59p/litre thats £2.68 a gallon = 17.8 pence per mile .. so I save about 8 pence on every mile. If I travel slower (     ) I can improve on these figures quite easily, and they are better with the 2.5 as well.

Suffice to say .. over the 6800 miles I've had the LPG I've saved over £650 already....

I love the 3.2 and wouldn't change it ... I just wish I had known these numbers when I first got the old 2.5  ... I would have gone for LPG years ago.

Just worth a thought .. oh . and if you think you lose performance .. think again .... no difference .. but the maintenance costs go DOWN IMHO .. I'll explain that if anyone asks !!!

[tmx]

the 2.5td can do 35mpg but so can a 2.5 V6 tourqe figures are fairly similar to plus V6s are alot cheaper!

2.2 DTi well i drove a 2.2 DTi veccy and that was as flat as a turd so in an omega i doubt it barely moves!

[Lazydocker]

have to agree, why?

Diesel is 10p a litre more at the pump, you will pay more for the diesel over a V6.

V6's are worthless at the moment as they are belived to be uneconomical. Buy a cheap V6, use the money saved, and fit LPG.

Then it costs just 55p odd a litre for fuel, and you get the silky smooth V6.

I'm with Tunnie here .. I tow a 1600Kg caravan on a very regular basis with the 3.2 V6 ... When towing on petrol I used to get around 18 mpg ... at £1.00 a litre thats £4.54 a gallon = 25.222 pence per mile.  On LPG I get about 15 mpg .. at 59p/litre thats £2.68 a gallon = 17.8 pence per mile .. so I save about 8 pence on every mile. If I travel slower (     ) I can improve on these figures quite easily, and they are better with the 2.5 as well.

Suffice to say .. over the 6800 miles I've had the LPG I've saved over £650 already....

I love the 3.2 and wouldn't change it ... I just wish I had known these numbers when I first got the old 2.5  ... I would have gone for LPG years ago.

Just worth a thought .. oh . and if you think you lose performance .. think again .... no difference .. but the maintenance costs go DOWN IMHO .. I'll explain that if anyone asks !!!

I reckon you're using the same principle I am... LPG is a much cleaner fuel and the oil stays cleaner... I'm only changing every 5k or so and it still looks as clean as when it went in

[Lazydocker]

Personally I have to agree with everyone else's comments... Although, in theory, the Diesel is more economical, in practice I don't believe it is. You can pick up a V6 for pennies and if you get one that is pre March 2001 you don't get stung for tax. Then fit LPG if economy is what you're after and you're laughing!

My LPG kit will pay for itself in about 7000miles as I fitted it myself and it has no noticeable loss of power and pulls like a train