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[albitz]

Sorry James but you are wrong. elected politicians always have been above the law in very narrow circumstances. It is known as parliamentary privilige,It gives them the freedom to investigate dishonesty in government etc; without fear of prosecution or persecution,at least it did until a few days ago.
No offence but I think there is a great lack of political awareness being perpatrated here.

[JamesV6CDX]

Sorry James but you are wrong. elected politicians always have been above the law
No offence but I think there is a great lack of political awareness being perpatrated here.

No offence taken.

I don't claim to have Political awareness mate - I openly admit I know beggar all about the Government and how it works, so I'm open to correction, on that score.

The only thing I do maintain, is that we need to see what happens before making a judgement - there may be factors we are unaware of?

[albitz]

Fair enough James,but there would have to be extremely extraordinary factors involved to justify this in any way imo.
I have no doubt that the usual smokescreen tactics will be employed and hopefully wont work.
P.S. I am not a Tory by the way.

[mantahatch]

This has been so slowly coming for many years. Are you aware we have Jewish law court type things, and we now have another type of law being dished out if both parties agree to abide by the decision.
Both of these are outside of our system.

Take something like the smoking ban, a lot of people thought what agreat idea and supported it, I even heard someone on TV saying "we need to make this as disgusting as smoking" I can't remember what they where on about now, I was just so shocked that smoking could be talked about as if we where outright criminals.

When a government gets power mad and starts to ban things, and make us guilty until we prove our innocence, and keep the rcords just in case we may be guilty in the future, then we are ones in trouble.

I think we should be very worried about the future. people like hitler and mugabe are not much different to brown and darling, they are all seduced by the power in the end  

[Entwood]

Without wishing to take sides, and, like everyone else I have very few "facts" on this matter, only what is reported, but I do have one major problem with one of the answers given thus far.

Several folks have commented along the lines of "if the Met suspected a crime was being committed then they have to respond" - a statement that, on the face of it, I have no problem with ..... However .....

How would they "suspect a crime was being committed" unless someone told them AFAIK the Met are not clairvoyent .. therefore they were told, by someone.

The BIG question is by Who and Why It is the answers to those two points that really matters .. IMHO

If it was done by Powers within the present Government in order to embarrass/shut up Her Majesty's Opposition then it is exceedingly dangerous.

If it was done by a minor Civil Servant who didn't like his work being made common knowledge, then the "wait and see" approach is entirely reasonable.

The problem is ..  will we ever know the difference or the truth

[JamesV6CDX]

Without wishing to take sides, and, like everyone else I have very few "facts" on this matter, only what is reported, but I do have one major problem with one of the answers given thus far.

Several folks have commented along the lines of "if the Met suspected a crime was being committed then they have to respond" - a statement that, on the face of it, I have no problem with ..... However .....

How would they "suspect a crime was being committed" unless someone told them AFAIK the Met are not clairvoyent .. therefore they were told, by someone.

The BIG question is by Who and Why It is the answers to those two points that really matters .. IMHO

If it was done by Powers within the present Government in order to embarrass/shut up Her Majesty's Opposition then it is exceedingly dangerous.

If it was done by a minor Civil Servant who didn't like his work being made common knowledge, then the "wait and see" approach is entirely reasonable.

The problem is ..  will we ever know the difference or the truth

I would agree with this, seems like a valid point to me and has also crossed my mind. Not sure we'll ever know for sure, though  :-/

[BigAl]

Ultimately, its NuLabour fault, they have given the Stasi police to much power. They also selected an totally unsuitable man as the speaker of the house, who steps aside to let the pigs get to the tories

[Nickbat]

It may come as a surprise but I have a huge amount of respect for Tony Benn. Totally disagree with his policies but, as a parliamentarian, he is an absolute expert on the workings and importance of our system. Last night he was on TV and said this is an attack on our freedom as a democracy. If Benn says that, I can believe it is real.

This matter must not left to rest. The current administration has continually tried to override the mechanisms of the House and, these days, regards it as a nuisance.

We must also remember that people complained that the Thatcher government introduced too many criminal laws during its terms: some 800 between 1979 and 1990. In the same period of 11 years, however, Labour has introduced [size=12]3,609[/size] criminal offences - four times as many.  

Is it any wonder that we've had enough?            

[Lizzie_Zoom]

It may come as a surprise but I have a huge amount of respect for Tony Benn. Totally disagree with his policies but, as a parliamentarian, he is an absolute expert on the workings and importance of our system. Last night he was on TV and said this is an attack on our freedom as a democracy. If Benn says that, I can believe it is real.

This matter must not left to rest. The current administration has continually tried to override the mechanisms of the House and, these days, regards it as a nuisance.

We must also remember that people complained that the Thatcher government introduced too many criminal laws during its terms: some 800 between 1979 and 1990. In the same period of 11 years, however, Labour has introduced [size=12]3,609[/size] criminal offences - four times as many.  

Is it any wonder that we've had enough?            

So do I Nickbat!

As for the quote, as I stated in my opening post, he also has been quoted as stating:
"Once the police can interfere with Parliament, we are into the police state.  Parliament is a safeguard against the abuse of power and once you start clamping down on it you are saying goodbye to the freedom it gives you".

He is absolutely right, although like you I have not always agreed with what he has said!

[Nickbat]

It may come as a surprise but I have a huge amount of respect for Tony Benn. Totally disagree with his policies but, as a parliamentarian, he is an absolute expert on the workings and importance of our system. Last night he was on TV and said this is an attack on our freedom as a democracy. If Benn says that, I can believe it is real.

This matter must not left to rest. The current administration has continually tried to override the mechanisms of the House and, these days, regards it as a nuisance.

We must also remember that people complained that the Thatcher government introduced too many criminal laws during its terms: some 800 between 1979 and 1990. In the same period of 11 years, however, Labour has introduced [size=12]3,609[/size] criminal offences - four times as many.  

Is it any wonder that we've had enough?            

So do I Nickbat!

As for the quote, as I stated in my opening post, he also has been quoted as stating:
"Once the police can interfere with Parliament, we are into the police state.  Parliament is a safeguard against the abuse of power and once you start clamping down on it you are saying goodbye to the freedom it gives you".

He is absolutely right, although like you I have not always agreed with what he has said!

Sorry Lizzie, I missed that quote in your first post. Comes of speed reading I guess (plus I think you missed out Benn's name!). Just re-read it slowly and agree entirely with what you said.

[Vamps]

It may come as a surprise but I have a huge amount of respect for Tony Benn. Totally disagree with his policies but, as a parliamentarian, he is an absolute expert on the workings and importance of our system. Last night he was on TV and said this is an attack on our freedom as a democracy. If Benn says that, I can believe it is real.

This matter must not left to rest. The current administration has continually tried to override the mechanisms of the House and, these days, regards it as a nuisance.

We must also remember that people complained that the Thatcher government introduced too many criminal laws during its terms: some 800 between 1979 and 1990. In the same period of 11 years, however, Labour has introduced [size=12]3,609[/size] criminal offences - four times as many.  

Is it any wonder that we've had enough?            

So do I Nickbat!

As for the quote, as I stated in my opening post, he also has been quoted as stating:
"Once the police can interfere with Parliament, we are into the police state.  Parliament is a safeguard against the abuse of power and once you start clamping down on it you are saying goodbye to the freedom it gives you".

He is absolutely right, although like you I have not always agreed with what he has said!

Well perhaps we will be able to walk the streets again, get rid of illegal immigrants and have everyone in work, who genuinley can.

[LaserLance]

It may come as a surprise but I have a huge amount of respect for Tony Benn. Totally disagree with his policies but, as a parliamentarian, he is an absolute expert on the workings and importance of our system. Last night he was on TV and said this is an attack on our freedom as a democracy. If Benn says that, I can believe it is real.

This matter must not left to rest. The current administration has continually tried to override the mechanisms of the House and, these days, regards it as a nuisance.

We must also remember that people complained that the Thatcher government introduced too many criminal laws during its terms: some 800 between 1979 and 1990. In the same period of 11 years, however, Labour has introduced [size=12]3,609[/size] criminal offences - four times as many.  

Is it any wonder that we've had enough?            

So do I Nickbat!

As for the quote, as I stated in my opening post, he also has been quoted as stating:
"Once the police can interfere with Parliament, we are into the police state.  Parliament is a safeguard against the abuse of power and once you start clamping down on it you are saying goodbye to the freedom it gives you".

He is absolutely right, although like you I have not always agreed with what he has said!

Well perhaps we will be able to walk the streets again, get rid of illegal immigrants and have everyone in work, who genuinley can.

[/highlight]
Sorry to say mike thats cloud cuckoo land not a police state    ps sorry to be so flipant on such a seroius item

[Vamps]

It may come as a surprise but I have a huge amount of respect for Tony Benn. Totally disagree with his policies but, as a parliamentarian, he is an absolute expert on the workings and importance of our system. Last night he was on TV and said this is an attack on our freedom as a democracy. If Benn says that, I can believe it is real.

This matter must not left to rest. The current administration has continually tried to override the mechanisms of the House and, these days, regards it as a nuisance.

We must also remember that people complained that the Thatcher government introduced too many criminal laws during its terms: some 800 between 1979 and 1990. In the same period of 11 years, however, Labour has introduced [size=12]3,609[/size] criminal offences - four times as many.  

Is it any wonder that we've had enough?            

So do I Nickbat!

As for the quote, as I stated in my opening post, he also has been quoted as stating:
"Once the police can interfere with Parliament, we are into the police state.  Parliament is a safeguard against the abuse of power and once you start clamping down on it you are saying goodbye to the freedom it gives you".

He is absolutely right, although like you I have not always agreed with what he has said!

Well perhaps we will be able to walk the streets again, get rid of illegal immigrants and have everyone in work, who genuinley can.

[/highlight]
Sorry to say mike thats cloud cuckoo land not a police state    ps sorry to be so flipant on such a seroius item

Tis the land I would like to live in though

[Entwood]

Serious subject .. but an attempt at humour  

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=wtIjgsxe-jM&eurl=http://thecrownblogspot.*************/2008/11/gordon-browns-downfall-prequel.html

You may or may not smile .......

[LaserLance]

It may come as a surprise but I have a huge amount of respect for Tony Benn. Totally disagree with his policies but, as a parliamentarian, he is an absolute expert on the workings and importance of our system. Last night he was on TV and said this is an attack on our freedom as a democracy. If Benn says that, I can believe it is real.

This matter must not left to rest. The current administration has continually tried to override the mechanisms of the House and, these days, regards it as a nuisance.

We must also remember that people complained that the Thatcher government introduced too many criminal laws during its terms: some 800 between 1979 and 1990. In the same period of 11 years, however, Labour has introduced [size=12]3,609[/size] criminal offences - four times as many.  

Is it any wonder that we've had enough?            

So do I Nickbat!

As for the quote, as I stated in my opening post, he also has been quoted as stating:
"Once the police can interfere with Parliament, we are into the police state.  Parliament is a safeguard against the abuse of power and once you start clamping down on it you are saying goodbye to the freedom it gives you".

He is absolutely right, although like you I have not always agreed with what he has said!

Well perhaps we will be able to walk the streets again, get rid of illegal immigrants and have everyone in work, who genuinley can.

[/highlight]
Sorry to say mike thats cloud cuckoo land not a police state    ps sorry to be so flipant on such a seroius item

Tis the land I would like to live in though

very true i think it would be great thing to be able to turn back the clock and start again , but unless something very major happens i think its gonna take a long time and with a lot of serious policy changes from goverment to make that happen