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[Vamps]

He who asks the question should be equally as open to the knife as the healthy party...as in "what would you do?" As the healthy party i'd be saying "sacrifice yourself then, who gave you the right to choose?!!!

What have you been eating???

[iainb]

I dont want to ruin your bit of fun BUT. If every person that didnt mind there organs being used after they have thrown off the mortal shackles carried a donar card there wouldnt be the current problem.
 Gordon Brown lost his campagne for the optout.
 Sorry to hijack your post but its dear to me.
Iain

[BigAl]

A hot air ballon needs to lighten its load to avoid crashing into a mountain range below.  There are five people, of the same physical weight, in the ballon and it is calculated that the weight of one, if removed from the ballon, would save the balloon from unavoidable disaster.   The people have therefore to decide who should be removed from the basket by working out each others "worth" in society and deciding who can be sacrificed.

Apparently this challenge has been used in Special Forces Training and made as real as possible by the instructors, which is a most unpleasant thought!

Not really,  "survival of the fittest"- while the other 4 are debating throw the nearest person out. 8-)

[BigAl]

Gordon Brown lost his campagne for the optout.

The public are against it for one simple reason, "mission creep" - which has affected every other Guv policy

How long before someone has a quota to meet for organ transplants?
I was going to say doctor, but chances are it would be a "consultant" making the decision.

[Entwood]

A hot air ballon needs to lighten its load to avoid crashing into a mountain range below.  There are five people, of the same physical weight, in the ballon and it is calculated that the weight of one, if removed from the ballon, would save the balloon from unavoidable disaster.   The people have therefore to decide who should be removed from the basket by working out each others "worth" in society and deciding who can be sacrificed.

Apparently this challenge has been used in Special Forces Training and made as real as possible by the instructors, which is a most unpleasant thought!

Not really "survival of the fittest"- while the other 4 are debating throw the nearest person out. 8-)

Not an allowed option...  this "test" has been around a long time, and usually comes with the non-allowed options of 1) precipitate action, 2) Self sacrifice.

The whole purpose is to see how people react/discuss an extreme case that challenges the norm. Another input is often to try to "force" someone (often a quiet or weak character) to make a decision .. I've seen several folks crack up when placed in that position. Needless to say, they usually fail the test.

[waspy]

I dont want to ruin your bit of fun BUT. If every person that didnt mind there organs being used after they have thrown off the mortal shackles carried a donar card there wouldnt be the current problem.
 Gordon Brown lost his campagne for the optout.
 Sorry to hijack your post but its dear to me.
Iain

I carry a card & have for years. No good to me when i've gone
If i can help someone that deserves help then i will

[mantahatch]

Hmmm I would say the healthy person should not sacrifice himself for the sake of the others. The 5 are obviously not very healthy anyway and chances are the one healthy will lead a long and happy productive life. the other 5 maybe will be a drain on resources ?

I do no a person who has had a transplant (work with him every day) now he is happy hard working person but does tend to take slightly more time off work than the average, he does make up for it in other ways though. However his life expectancy is shortened and he has to take drugs for the rest of his life. Now if we want to be cavalier about it, it may be his shortened life expectancy will prevent him drawing a pension and suffering from old age related problems so in the long run he may cost the country less.

On the face of it the healthy person should not sacrifice himself, but for the good of the countries finances the 5 recipients will probably be the better option.

A dilemma indeed, and no doubt I have failed the test.

Mike

[kris9128]

you have a healthy person, potentially they could save the lives of 5 people who required various organ transplants.

Heart
Kidney x2
Liver
Lungs

so heres the dilemma.......

do you sacrifice one person to save 5

please note this is just a hypothetical....

if i had to make the choice then yes i would sacrifice the 1 to save 5.

[cem_devecioglu]

Even hypothetically it's a hard question to answer. The healthy person would have to be depressed to make the sacrifice. It's his/her decision (or incision!) not yours or mine so your question is questionable!!!

    Only the doner can answer.

totally agreed..

[Marks DTM Calib]

What about the option of killing one of the 5 who needed say the heart....and using his lungs, kidneys and liver (the heart obviously being caput)......he was half dead any way.

[The Barge Captain]

That seems a more practical solution Mark, although it comes with the same moral question - which one?

[Gaffers]

 

[Marks DTM Calib]

That seems a more practical solution Mark, although it comes with the same moral question - which one?

Ah, well thats a bit easier....no good going for people with kidney trouble....as you ahev two kidneys and you want to benefit the majority.

The hard part is choosing liver, lungs or heart....and that has to be based on the particular condition....i.e. if the person with heart issues was a smoker then the lungs may well be buggered anyway.

Sorry, typical (real) engineers approach......they say engineers make great doctors (thansk to thier superior diag skills) but sadly, they also say it as it is which would not go down to well!

[Richie London]

wouldnt be worth it anyway, would probably pick up mrsa while in hosp and die  

[Richie London]

wouldnt be worth it anyway, would probably pick up mrsa while in hosp and die  

would also be money wasted by the nhs for nothing and compensation payouts for all the family for contracting mrsa and dying