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[JamesV6CDX]

Police stations open part time pretend policemen

rather plastic pigs get on my nerves to say the slightest

Well, I don't mind admitting that I am a Special Constable with my local Force.

I joined because I want to actually bring something positive to my community (rather than sit back and moan about all the problems), and because it is also good for my own personal development.

I'm not at all offended by the comments about plastic pigs, etc - it's part of the job, which requires resilience. I do however, think these comments are a little narrow minded on your part, and definately verging on offensive.

How much do you actually know about the Special Constabulary?

Specials are fully trained and warranted Police Officers, sworn into the Office of Constable, who adhere to the same code of conduct, and have the same powers and responsibilities as a regular, Full time Constable, on and off duty.

We also go through the same disciplinary procedures, so the fact this person was a Special should have no bearing on the outcome of his disciplinary.

The majority of us are simply trying our best to bring something positive to the communities.

Not being funny some of them look daft and almost funny in my veiw

Are you referring to PCSOs (Police Community Support Officers), instead of Specials? Maybe you are confused?

As a Special Constable, my uniform, handcuffs , airwave, baton and other kit is absolutely identical to that of a regular officer. The only way you'd ever tell the difference, is if you had internal Force knowledge and could recognise it from my collar number. This applies to pretty much all Forces.

As said, I'm not at all offended by the above comments - but I'm a bit disappointed. Just bear in mind that, yes, you will get a few bad apples in the Police (Regulars, Special Constables, and PCSOs), but this happens in every profession - and it's unfair of you to tar genuine Officers with the same brush.
  

what irritates me even more is that this is where i live, am i supposed to call upon these pr*cks when i need help with anything??

Are you talking about every single officer in GMP, danny?  

Again - very generalised  

[Darth Loo-knee]

Personally I am getting fed up with reading about how bad people reckon the Police are
For a start we weren't there and so can't really judge the actual situation. No-one gives any respect to them any more, they could be stabbed or anything.
I personally wouldn't do the job  

[Danny]

no James, granted i could have worded that alot better, but it's dented my faith greatly

[Darth Loo-knee]

Well People moan about how bad the NHS is but if your ill and get rushed in they don't seem to moan then

As for "Plastic Pigs" always thought they were Reliant Robins :-?

[HolyCount]

Personally I am getting fed up with reading about how bad people reckon the Police are
For a start we weren't there and so can't really judge the actual situation. No-one gives any respect to them any more, they could be stabbed or anything.
I personally wouldn't do the job  

Thing is -- as has been said before -- by me as well on a number of occasions --- There are good and bad in all walks of life. This incident will be looked at by an independant body and dealt with accordingly. Everybody and his dog are quick to slag off the police, but are happy they are around when they get burgled (granted ... if they actually attend!). But like most of us they are pressurised by impractical targets set by some goon in Whitehall, given half the resources they need to do twice the job they have time to. Something has got to give!!!

I am in no way defendimng this action ---- I wasn't there and don't know the facts .... however I am inclined to go along with the appeal courts line of thought.

[hotel21]

We really need a shakey head smiley....

Because you got a duff repairman, all are useless?

Because your cream cake was off, all bakers are useless?

Because your .....

you get the gist!

As said by others, great to pontificate from afar but WE WERE NOT THERE!

Do not take a snapshot of a situation and turn it into a full blown scenario....  All involved will get their comeuppance , of that there is no doubt.

ps - I have also had fun and games with assorted service personel who try to act as though they are still on front line duties in a war zone, not your local High Street supposedly out for a convivial evening of dry sherry and canapes.......

[amigov6]

You could be forgiven for expecting a rant but funnily enough no, not in this case. I don't have the self discilpine to be a soldier, policeman, special, comm off., even an RSPCA officer which i'd love to do, but battering folk who batter thier pets is'nt how it works & i could'nt hold back despite how deserving or well intentioned. If this clip is as shown then the officers were unduly heavy handed & should be disciplined accordingly. However to even pass the training for any of these posts is more than most of us could manage, let alone maintaining standards once out there.
      Does'nt make it right i know but those of us who don't face such situations should think again before we sit in judgement.

    For once the voice of reason, Guy!!!!

[JamesV6CDX]

I'm not going to condemn anyone (officer or suspect) at this stage, not enough can be gained from watching that clip.

- The Clip does not show anything leading up to the officers approaching this man. They would not have done so for no reason.

- If the guy had done nothing wrong, why did he run from the officers?

- The Clip makes a big deal out of the punches, but it looks to me like they are aimed at giving him a dead arm to apply the cuffs.

- "Rubbing his face in the floor" was also played upon, yet it was clearly stated this person tried to bite an officer. For all those PCs / SCs knew the guy could have Aids / Hep B etc - and they had every right to stop this guy biting again.

It also looked like SC Lightfoot had a cool head, it's not like he was randomly punching and kicking the suspect etc.

I cannot say who I would consider wrong or right, based on that clip alone. I will personally wait for the outcome of the court case, before passing judgement. There is no way anyone can be convicted, on that video alone, IMO.

[Darth Loo-knee]

I ain't calling the Police... having said that the ones (other than two, one of which is a well know Fella on here) I have come across have an air about them.
My Uncle was a Copper he was the same, but I suppose it is the stuff they see and have to deal with being fair.

The papers blow everything out of proportion any how, the headline for a start. If the lad hadn't have been in the army probably would not have made it to the news.

[razzo]

Seems to me the judge upheld the appeal & rightly so. Where i come from Lightfoots actions are at best assault at worst GBH. I dont think it matters if he is ex forces or unemployed Joe from wherever the police overacted & should be kicked out of the force service

[JamesV6CDX]

Lightfoots actions are at best assault at worst GBH.

It would not be an assult, if SC Lightfoot was using force that was reasonable to the circumstances.

Because none of us forum members actually know the full circumstances, I don't think we can make that judgement just yet.

We can only rely on media reports, which we all know can be biased and not always correct - especially tabloids such as the one reporting this incident.

Also, has anyone noticed that the clip seems to "judder" a couple of times? I would suggest that it may have been edited - possibly by the mirror, in order to remove the aspects that would justify the Officers use of Force....

I'm still keeping an open verdict, personally

[HerefordElite]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/tm_headline=brute-force-three-police-officers-beat-up-handcuffed-iraq-war-veteran%26method=full%26objectid=20934568%26siteid=115875-name_page.html
my respect for police is dwindling
watch the video as well

Yes I saw this last night, but although the newscaster was stating that the policeman punched the man " eight times in the head" if you look closely the officer is actually punching the man on the shoulder/upper arm.

This is a recognised police procedure to quell a violent individual when on the ground to stop them resisting arrest and hopefully reduce the chance of an officer, or member of the public, getting hurt.

The film shows a drunken individual, with no obvious sign of the discipline of an military man, shouting insults to the police, who then chased after him.  

What do we expect from our front line police; just let individuals cause a public disturbance and shout insulting remarks whilst drunk and disorderly without action being taken?  So often the public are moaning the police do not do enough to stop such behaviour!

No, as far as the officers were concerned he was a foul mouthed individual out to cause trouble. and he was fairly delt with in my book. 8-) 8-) 8-)

My son was in the British Army for 5 years and believe me my ultra fit eldest son once had to drag him away from a similiar situation when you would hardly have quessed he was meant to be a highly trained, disciplined soldier.

I am also well aware of what happens in Aldershot when the Para's are in town.  The police have to be firm handed when dealing with these strong individuals (who are trained to kill as my son was!) as they did in the instance filmed. 8-) 8-) 8-)

'dangle berries's i wish i'd been in one of those cars driving by i would have got out and helped that poor man who was defensless on the floor

rather plastic pigs get on my nerves to say the slightest

OK!!  You don't agree with my comments; fine!!  But you do not have to be so offensive!!

ok sorry Lizzie pardon my french it just makes my blood boil when i see blatant bully tacticts in the name of restraining someone, it looked very OTT to me :-/

and James i know you're special (as was my brother in law) but in my limited experience it seems to me (IMHO) that the part time guys like this Pr1ck seems to get a real power kick out of being in uniform and like to throw their weight around

[Elite Pete]

I think rubbing someone's head on the tarmac is disgusting and not reasonable force

[HolyCount]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/tm_headline=brute-force-three-police-officers-beat-up-handcuffed-iraq-war-veteran%26method=full%26objectid=20934568%26siteid=115875-name_page.html
my respect for police is dwindling
watch the video as well

Yes I saw this last night, but although the newscaster was stating that the policeman punched the man " eight times in the head" if you look closely the officer is actually punching the man on the shoulder/upper arm.

This is a recognised police procedure to quell a violent individual when on the ground to stop them resisting arrest and hopefully reduce the chance of an officer, or member of the public, getting hurt.

The film shows a drunken individual, with no obvious sign of the discipline of an military man, shouting insults to the police, who then chased after him.  

What do we expect from our front line police; just let individuals cause a public disturbance and shout insulting remarks whilst drunk and disorderly without action being taken?  So often the public are moaning the police do not do enough to stop such behaviour!

No, as far as the officers were concerned he was a foul mouthed individual out to cause trouble. and he was fairly delt with in my book. 8-) 8-) 8-)

My son was in the British Army for 5 years and believe me my ultra fit eldest son once had to drag him away from a similiar situation when you would hardly have quessed he was meant to be a highly trained, disciplined soldier.

I am also well aware of what happens in Aldershot when the Para's are in town.  The police have to be firm handed when dealing with these strong individuals (who are trained to kill as my son was!) as they did in the instance filmed. 8-) 8-) 8-)

'dangle berries's i wish i'd been in one of those cars driving by i would have got out and helped that poor man who was defensless on the floor

rather plastic pigs get on my nerves to say the slightest

OK!!  You don't agree with my comments; fine!!  But you do not have to be so offensive!!

ok sorry Lizzie pardon my french it just makes my blood boil when i see blatant bully tacticts in the name of restraining someone, it looked very OTT to me :-/

and James i know you're special (as was my brother in law) but in my limited experience it seems to me (IMHO) that the part time guys like this Pr1ck seems to get a real power kick out of being in uniform and like to throw their weight around

From personal experience, some do ... but generally they get weeded out pretty sharpish.; However I guess afew will get through the net  :-/

[cem_devecioglu]

First
   The boy has no gun, no knife..

Second

Nothing and no law on earth, gives right to the police to behave like that.. He is representing the Law  and Justice..My family served to the law and justice more than 60 years in total and never permitted something like that..

rant over..