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[razzo]

Lightfoots actions are at best assault at worst GBH.

It would not be an assult, if SC Lightfoot was using force that was reasonable to the circumstances.

Because none of us forum members actually know the full circumstances, I don't think we can make that judgement just yet.

We can only rely on media reports, which we all know can be biased and not always correct - especially tabloids such as the one reporting this incident.

Also, has anyone noticed that the clip seems to "judder" a couple of times? I would suggest that it may have been edited - possibly by the mirror, in order to remove the aspects that would justify the Officers use of Force....

I'm still keeping an open verdict, personally

So banging his head on the ground twice, screaming in his ear, rubbing his face on the road a few times & just for good measure punching him 8 times is possibly reasonable force & all this while there are another 2 plods on top of this guy

[JamesV6CDX]

Lightfoots actions are at best assault at worst GBH.

It would not be an assult, if SC Lightfoot was using force that was reasonable to the circumstances.

Because none of us forum members actually know the full circumstances, I don't think we can make that judgement just yet.

We can only rely on media reports, which we all know can be biased and not always correct - especially tabloids such as the one reporting this incident.

Also, has anyone noticed that the clip seems to "judder" a couple of times? I would suggest that it may have been edited - possibly by the mirror, in order to remove the aspects that would justify the Officers use of Force....

I'm still keeping an open verdict, personally

So banging his head on the ground twice, screaming in his ear, rubbing his face on the road a few times & just for good measure punching him 8 times is possibly reasonable force & all this while there are another 2 plods on top of this guy

You can't tell (from the footage alone) whether or not the officer was banging/rubbing his head, or whether it just looks that way, as a result of the guy resisting being restrained.

[Darth Loo-knee]

Some people deserve a good battering  

[JamesV6CDX]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/tm_headline=brute-force-three-police-officers-beat-up-handcuffed-iraq-war-veteran%26method=full%26objectid=20934568%26siteid=115875-name_page.html
my respect for police is dwindling
watch the video as well

Yes I saw this last night, but although the newscaster was stating that the policeman punched the man " eight times in the head" if you look closely the officer is actually punching the man on the shoulder/upper arm.

This is a recognised police procedure to quell a violent individual when on the ground to stop them resisting arrest and hopefully reduce the chance of an officer, or member of the public, getting hurt.

The film shows a drunken individual, with no obvious sign of the discipline of an military man, shouting insults to the police, who then chased after him.  

What do we expect from our front line police; just let individuals cause a public disturbance and shout insulting remarks whilst drunk and disorderly without action being taken?  So often the public are moaning the police do not do enough to stop such behaviour!

No, as far as the officers were concerned he was a foul mouthed individual out to cause trouble. and he was fairly delt with in my book. 8-) 8-) 8-)

My son was in the British Army for 5 years and believe me my ultra fit eldest son once had to drag him away from a similiar situation when you would hardly have quessed he was meant to be a highly trained, disciplined soldier.

I am also well aware of what happens in Aldershot when the Para's are in town.  The police have to be firm handed when dealing with these strong individuals (who are trained to kill as my son was!) as they did in the instance filmed. 8-) 8-) 8-)

'dangle berries's i wish i'd been in one of those cars driving by i would have got out and helped that poor man who was defensless on the floor

rather plastic pigs get on my nerves to say the slightest

OK!!  You don't agree with my comments; fine!!  But you do not have to be so offensive!!

ok sorry Lizzie pardon my french it just makes my blood boil when i see blatant bully tacticts in the name of restraining someone, it looked very OTT to me :-/

and James i know you're special (as was my brother in law) but in my limited experience it seems to me (IMHO) that the part time guys like this Pr1ck seems to get a real power kick out of being in uniform and like to throw their weight around

I am sure that is the case with some -

As has been mentioned, you get bad apples in every profession.

Does that give you the right to label all of us as pr*cks / part time plastic pigs?

I still feel you are slating an entire force of dedicated volunteers, on the actions of a very small minority...

[ajn]

just hope you dont discover something in life you didnt know or  maybe a death, simply having a few to many for xmas, end up in the wrong place wrong time because it could be anyone of us getting our faces rubbed on the floor a little tap on the back of the shoulder by one or 12 police men just enforcing justice. wonder if there were any other crimes in the area that night maybe the police were to tired to attend because they all had to deal with one real serious crime

[HerefordElite]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/tm_headline=brute-force-three-police-officers-beat-up-handcuffed-iraq-war-veteran%26method=full%26objectid=20934568%26siteid=115875-name_page.html
my respect for police is dwindling
watch the video as well

Yes I saw this last night, but although the newscaster was stating that the policeman punched the man " eight times in the head" if you look closely the officer is actually punching the man on the shoulder/upper arm.

This is a recognised police procedure to quell a violent individual when on the ground to stop them resisting arrest and hopefully reduce the chance of an officer, or member of the public, getting hurt.

The film shows a drunken individual, with no obvious sign of the discipline of an military man, shouting insults to the police, who then chased after him.  

What do we expect from our front line police; just let individuals cause a public disturbance and shout insulting remarks whilst drunk and disorderly without action being taken?  So often the public are moaning the police do not do enough to stop such behaviour!

No, as far as the officers were concerned he was a foul mouthed individual out to cause trouble. and he was fairly delt with in my book. 8-) 8-) 8-)

My son was in the British Army for 5 years and believe me my ultra fit eldest son once had to drag him away from a similiar situation when you would hardly have quessed he was meant to be a highly trained, disciplined soldier.

I am also well aware of what happens in Aldershot when the Para's are in town.  The police have to be firm handed when dealing with these strong individuals (who are trained to kill as my son was!) as they did in the instance filmed. 8-) 8-) 8-)

'dangle berries's i wish i'd been in one of those cars driving by i would have got out and helped that poor man who was defensless on the floor

rather plastic pigs get on my nerves to say the slightest

OK!!  You don't agree with my comments; fine!!  But you do not have to be so offensive!!

ok sorry Lizzie pardon my french it just makes my blood boil when i see blatant bully tacticts in the name of restraining someone, it looked very OTT to me :-/

and James i know you're special (as was my brother in law) but in my limited experience it seems to me (IMHO) that the part time guys like this Pr1ck seems to get a real power kick out of being in uniform and like to throw their weight around

I am sure that is the case with some -

As has been mentioned, you get bad apples in every profession.

Does that give you the right to label all of us as pr*cks / part time plastic pigs?

I still feel you are slating an entire force of dedicated volunteers, on the actions of a very small minority...

no matey i'm not  there  is some good guys out there you and my sisters bloke included
You are right that a very small minority give the majority a bad name but that is the same in all walks of life i'm afraid.
You got to admit this guy was a bit heavy handed to say the least

[hotel21]

just hope you dont discover something in life you didnt know or  maybe a death, simply having a few to many for xmas, end up in the wrong place wrong time because it could be anyone of us getting our faces rubbed on the floor a little tap on the back of the shoulder by one or 12 police men just enforcing justice. wonder if there were any other crimes in the area that night maybe the police were to tired to attend because they all had to deal with one real serious crime

FFS why dont we all jump on the gross assumption bandwaggon and label everyone with every label and stereotype we can think of?

[hotel21]

just hope you dont discover something in life you didnt know or  maybe a death, simply having a few to many for xmas, end up in the wrong place wrong time because it could be anyone of us getting our faces rubbed on the floor a little tap on the back of the shoulder by one or 12 police men just enforcing justice. wonder if there were any other crimes in the area that night maybe the police were to tired to attend because they all had to deal with one real serious crime

FFS why dont we all jump on the gross assumption bandwaggon and label everyone with every label and stereotype we can think of?

apologies.  That was typed in haste and did not realise that the poster I quoted was a new or low posting member.  Do not get me wrong.  If there was unlawfull conduct - by any and all involved - hopefully the matter will be dealt with appropriately.

Yes, a few bad apples etc but please please do not tar all folks with the same brush...

[JamesV6CDX]

no matey i'm not  there  is some good guys out there you and my sisters bloke included

You are right that a very small minority give the majority a bad name but that is the same in all walks of life i'm afraid.

Cool, thanks for clarifying

You got to admit this guy was a bit heavy handed to say the least

Based solely on the video evidence, it does look that way - no dispute. But, I don't feel able to make a firm opinion really, based on that clip - because there are too many other unknowns.

I don't mind admitting that, rather than being on a power trip, I am at the other end of the scale - I've never been in a fight in all my life, and I'm worried about getting attacked myself, if I'm honest.

I'm sure confidence will grow as I continue to do the job - but I certainly never, ever intend to be "heavy handed"...

[Vamps]

just hope you dont discover something in life you didnt know or  maybe a death, simply having a few to many for xmas, end up in the wrong place wrong time because it could be anyone of us getting our faces rubbed on the floor a little tap on the back of the shoulder by one or 12 police men just enforcing justice. wonder if there were any other crimes in the area that night maybe the police were to tired to attend because they all had to deal with one real serious crime

FFS why dont we all jump on the gross assumption bandwaggon and label everyone with every label and stereotype we can think of?

apologies.  That was typed in haste and did not realise that the poster I quoted was a new or low posting member.  Do not get me wrong.  If wrong was done - by any and all involved - hopefully the matter will be dealt with appropriately.

Yes, a few bad apples etc but please please do not tar all folks with the same brush...

[/highlight]

I totaly agree, and this was the point I was trying to make a couple of weeks ago on a different subject. People can be very quick to tar everyone with the same brush.

[HerefordElite]

no matey i'm not  there  is some good guys out there you and my sisters bloke included

You are right that a very small minority give the majority a bad name but that is the same in all walks of life i'm afraid.

Cool, thanks for clarifying

You got to admit this guy was a bit heavy handed to say the least

Based solely on the video evidence, it does look that way - no dispute. But, I don't feel able to make a firm opinion really, based on that clip - because there are too many other unknowns.

I don't mind admitting that, rather than being on a power trip, I am at the other end of the scale - I've never been in a fight in all my life, and I'm worried about getting attacked myself, if I'm honest.

I'm sure confidence will grow as I continue to do the job - but I certainly never, ever intend to be "heavy handed"...

i'm sure it will (and you ain't 20 stone!! )

i have got a lot of time for good cops and i realize it is a tough job that i've never had the temprement for   but there is some arseholes out there too

[hotel21]

big snip.....

You got to admit this guy was a bit heavy handed to say the least

It would appear that way.

However, as said, we do not have the full circumstances.

You ever had to subdue a large trained killer thats got several beers inside them, totally discounting any illegal substances that have been swallowed or up their nostrils, without resorting to a CS spray or a stick?

I have, more than once.  Big adrenaline rush at the time but also one fekkin big laxative afterwards....  

[cem_devecioglu]

To clean those apples, there are some regular psychological tests exist..

which obviously fails  :-?

[HerefordElite]

big snip.....

You got to admit this guy was a bit heavy handed to say the least

It would appear that way.

However, as said, we do not have the full circumstances.

You ever had to subdue a large trained killer thats got several beers inside them, totally discounting any illegal substances that have been swallowed or up their nostrils, without resorting to a CS spray or a stick?

I have, more than once.  Big adrenaline rush at the time but also one fekkin big laxative afterwards....  

appreciate that Brucie, must be very very difficult but this is probably why IMHO a full time PC might be 'cooler' in said situation and only use reasonable force

to be honest though he was pissed as a fart as you can tell when he fell over himself trying to run

[Ken T]

This is CCTV footage, therefore the original unedited version must be recorded somewhere. Why this was not brought up in Court I don't know, or perhaps it was, and we are only seeing an edited version from somewhere, and edited by someone trying to sensationalise things. I personally don't bother with newspapers, because whats in them is far from accurate.
However, coming back to my comment about Ki-Aikido, I am surprised that it took 3 police officers to subdue one person. A large trained killer with several beers inside him will be unwieldy, clumsy, liable to make mistakes. OK if he got hold of you it would be nasty, but don't let him get hold. Someone who has been drinking for a while, could probably be subdued with a few words, rather than physical force.

Ken