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[BigAl]

entwood you are so right! and 90 % of the time me and jase do agree.

shane just doesnt seem to learn.

he does play us off against each other and we have both learnt to ask each other before we say anything to shane.

i suppose i and tired of fighting with shane. but i cant give up now.

its like a switch with shane one minute hes great and i mean bl@@dy great then the next its like the devil has got hold of him!

when we had this issue we told the boys - get caught doing this and no electrical devices for 1 day for the 1st try, 2 days for 2nd, etc

[BigAl]

Typical 4 year pushing his boundaries.

We get that and sometimes it lasts for an hour or more.

Its a case of never give in....my little one has been stood on the front door step with no pants on for 10 minutes screaming before and I have removed the door handle from his room so he couldn't get out on more than one occasion.

Generaly, hes a good lad though!.

you give in once and you have made arod for you're own back.
Another few tips :-
do NOT discuss their behaviour in front of them with other adults
do NOT contradict the other parent in front of them
do NOT make excuses for them in front of them with other adults

They are devious little oppsers - end of
if you  brake the above rules they will use it against you

friends of mine used to go on holiday with another family, whose mother would excuse her kids behaviour with " they are too young to know any better", whenever my friend stopped them doing something wrong, one of them (3 year old) would say "we are too young to know any better"

[Vamps]

Typical 4 year pushing his boundaries.

We get that and sometimes it lasts for an hour or more.

Its a case of never give in....my little one has been stood on the front door step with no pants on for 10 minutes screaming before and I have removed the door handle from his room so he couldn't get out on more than one occasion.

Generaly, hes a good lad though!.

you give in once and you have made arod for you're own back.
Another few tips :-
do NOT discuss their behaviour in front of them with other adults
do NOT contradict the other parent in front of them
do NOT make excuses for them in front of them with other adults

They are devious little crappity smackers - end of
if you  brake the above rules they will use it against you

friends of mine used to go on holiday with another family, whose mother would excuse her kids behaviour with " they are too young to know any better", whenever my friend stopped them doing something wrong, one of them (3 year old) would say "we are too young to know any better"

But also please remember that if you say No, there should be a valid reason for it, not just because you can't be bothered. As they get a little older you can explain why and it helps them to understand however forget that when they are teenagers and live 'Day to Day' easier with some than others, I am already worrying about this with my daughter and she is only 8.