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[sev]

[WM - Blackberry simply doesn't work, gayPhone is poor once you start using it, Android still go a long way to go.  WM has its faults, but is very usable and very stable (depending on vendor), and is the only 'Smart' OS I'd have on a phone currently.

Vista has native drivers for some older ones - remember it was released 2yrs ago, so driver base probably set 3yrs ago.  The Intel or Broadcom wifis are hard to beat.

Oh, I agree TB, I don't like blackberry one bit, and the android is still an infant, however, find me a smartphone that's as intuitive and easy to use as the iphone.

I've reshelled my omnia with all of them and they all have some inherent flaw, but unfortunately it's due to the limitations of the underlying OS.

I was looking at broadcom chipset stuff but I didn't know intel did wifi chipsets as well.

If i'm not mistaken, the netgear and belkin cards use broadcom chipsets don't they?

I'd rather just let windows handle the running of the card than plonk unecessary controllers into the system.

I was going to install it onto 2 drives linked into a raid 0 for the system and applications, and a third as the storage disc, or alternatively system and apps on one drive, and storage on another, with the third drive being used for scratch and dump disc (lots of image processing and 3d modelling).  I'm not sure yet.

[TheBoy]

[WM - Blackberry simply doesn't work, gayPhone is poor once you start using it, Android still go a long way to go.  WM has its faults, but is very usable and very stable (depending on vendor), and is the only 'Smart' OS I'd have on a phone currently.

Vista has native drivers for some older ones - remember it was released 2yrs ago, so driver base probably set 3yrs ago.  The Intel or Broadcom wifis are hard to beat.

Oh, I agree TB, I don't like blackberry one bit, and the android is still an infant, however, find me a smartphone that's as intuitive and easy to use as the iphone.

I've reshelled my omnia with all of them and they all have some inherent flaw, but unfortunately it's due to the limitations of the underlying OS.

I was looking at broadcom chipset stuff but I didn't know intel did wifi chipsets as well.

If i'm not mistaken, the netgear and belkin cards use broadcom chipsets don't they?

I'd rather just let windows handle the running of the card than plonk unecessary controllers into the system.

I was going to install it onto 2 drives linked into a raid 0 for the system and applications, and a third as the storage disc, or alternatively system and apps on one drive, and storage on another, with the third drive being used for scratch and dump disc (lots of image processing and 3d modelling).  I'm not sure yet.

I've found the gayPhone initially intuitive, but it soon starts to show its limitations.  I couldn't live with it.  Signal strength is an issue.  If you are into your gayPods, then its a good gayPod with a suspect Phone bolt on.

Seeing as Belkin and Netgear make shite, I probably would go for something else.  I would also install the correct driver, as it will be optimised, and better featured.  If its for a laptop with minipci slot, use that (assuming you have antenna built into laptop).  If its a desktop, use a cable!

[sev]

actually it's for a desktop, and you've confirmed a suspicion of mine!

I'm connected physically to my router and I think i'll stay that way.

So who would be your router manufacturer of choice then?

I sense that you're not an apple lover  

[Ian_D]

Its not out as a public beta yet, so I guess most people using it are doing so illegally.  We'll find out in a few days when they go to activate it

I'm (un)lucky enough to work for one of the launch partners, so have access to early copies

I like it.  It's pretty much just Vista, with the Aero Window Manager improved a bit further.  I think its a bit much to say its miles better than Vista :-/ - it's Vista with a tweaked (for the better admittedly) Aero.

The drivers should be good, as it uses the Vista driver model, and most reasonably modern hardware has Vista drivers.  Certainly not come across driver issues so far  :-/

For an early beta, I was impressed with the speed. OK, I have a decent machine to run it on (Experience index 4.2, with CPU being 7.1).


I generally think its the right evolution.  It doesn't deserve a new major version number - thats marketting due to resistance to Vista, mainly drummed up by daft journalists who are inept - its more like XP (Windows 5.1) was to Windows 2000 (Windows 5.0), or Windows 2003 (Windows 5.2) to Windows 2000 (Windows 5.0).


However, I think Vista is the best general desktop OS available, so Win7, being Vista with tweaks, should be better.

Im sticking with XP then...  

[jjleonard]

I agree insomuch that wondows 7 from what i've seen and read appears to be what SP2 was to XP.

I've just got my copy of Vista SP1 so i'll be doing a clean install sometime next week, however in truth if it wasn't for the engineering CAD software I use, i'd never have left apple.

I'm running a windows mobile device at the moment, and if they(Microsoft) don't get a decent OS upgrade for that it's pretty much dead in the water in the face of the B/Bery and iPhone and Android (which is looking very promising).

Does Vista have native drivers for wifi cards or must you still download? also, does anyone have any recommendations for a wifi card?

WM - Blackberry simply doesn't work, gayPhone is poor once you start using it, Android still go a long way to go.  WM has its faults, but is very usable and very stable (depending on vendor), and is the only 'Smart' OS I'd have on a phone currently.

Vista has native drivers for some older ones - remember it was released 2yrs ago, so driver base probably set 3yrs ago.  The Intel or Broadcom wifis are hard to beat.

I'd probably have to disagree with you there, TB - at least from a users' side, I have no idea how much effort it takes to get the blackberry servers running or support users (I Please read the manual and Google!). I've used a BB for nearly 2 years, and I'm yet to come across an email platform that just works, and works as reliably as BB. That said, I use it for straightforward tasks - email, calendar, and contacts, and it's NEVER let me down.

EDIT: I meant BB as a delivery platform rather than an email platform - still relying oin Exchange 2003 for that, and that's been bulletproof so far.

I've been through 3 different WM phones and I just don't get on with the WM interface or pocket outlook. (Despite the fact I use Outlook on my desktop religiously).

Mind you - new job uses Lotus Notes. Christ knows what problems I'm going to have there. I've heard Notes is a nightmare to use.

[dbug]

Windows 7 has been installed on one of my test machines - seems good and fast for an early beta - seems to be what Vista should have been!!  Still bloatware though!!

[TheBoy]

actually it's for a desktop, and you've confirmed a suspicion of mine!

I'm connected physically to my router and I think i'll stay that way.

So who would be your router manufacturer of choice then?

I sense that you're not an apple lover  

I personally use Siemens Business routers, not wireless capability though (I use a seperate Access Point for that - not a fan of combined units, tend to compromise).

sb5830 can be picked up dirt cheap on egay.  And its more than capable enough to keep OOF running

[TheBoy]

Its not out as a public beta yet, so I guess most people using it are doing so illegally.  We'll find out in a few days when they go to activate it

I'm (un)lucky enough to work for one of the launch partners, so have access to early copies

I like it.  It's pretty much just Vista, with the Aero Window Manager improved a bit further.  I think its a bit much to say its miles better than Vista :-/ - it's Vista with a tweaked (for the better admittedly) Aero.

The drivers should be good, as it uses the Vista driver model, and most reasonably modern hardware has Vista drivers.  Certainly not come across driver issues so far  :-/

For an early beta, I was impressed with the speed. OK, I have a decent machine to run it on (Experience index 4.2, with CPU being 7.1).


I generally think its the right evolution.  It doesn't deserve a new major version number - thats marketting due to resistance to Vista, mainly drummed up by daft journalists who are inept - its more like XP (Windows 5.1) was to Windows 2000 (Windows 5.0), or Windows 2003 (Windows 5.2) to Windows 2000 (Windows 5.0).


However, I think Vista is the best general desktop OS available, so Win7, being Vista with tweaks, should be better.

Im sticking with XP then...  

You are missing out.  Why the resistance to the Vista Kernel?

[TheBoy]

I agree insomuch that wondows 7 from what i've seen and read appears to be what SP2 was to XP.

I've just got my copy of Vista SP1 so i'll be doing a clean install sometime next week, however in truth if it wasn't for the engineering CAD software I use, i'd never have left apple.

I'm running a windows mobile device at the moment, and if they(Microsoft) don't get a decent OS upgrade for that it's pretty much dead in the water in the face of the B/Bery and iPhone and Android (which is looking very promising).

Does Vista have native drivers for wifi cards or must you still download? also, does anyone have any recommendations for a wifi card?

WM - Blackberry simply doesn't work, gayPhone is poor once you start using it, Android still go a long way to go.  WM has its faults, but is very usable and very stable (depending on vendor), and is the only 'Smart' OS I'd have on a phone currently.

Vista has native drivers for some older ones - remember it was released 2yrs ago, so driver base probably set 3yrs ago.  The Intel or Broadcom wifis are hard to beat.

I'd probably have to disagree with you there, TB - at least from a users' side, I have no idea how much effort it takes to get the blackberry servers running or support users (I Please read the manual and Google!). I've used a BB for nearly 2 years, and I'm yet to come across an email platform that just works, and works as reliably as BB. That said, I use it for straightforward tasks - email, calendar, and contacts, and it's NEVER let me down.

EDIT: I meant BB as a delivery platform rather than an email platform - still relying oin Exchange 2003 for that, and that's been bulletproof so far.

I've been through 3 different WM phones and I just don't get on with the WM interface or pocket outlook. (Despite the fact I use Outlook on my desktop religiously).

Mind you - new job uses Lotus Notes. Christ knows what problems I'm going to have there. I've heard Notes is a nightmare to use.

If the BB works well for you, good for you

I find them bloody hopeless, and the company I support have given them to many of their mid/senior managers.  I'm always ducking as they go flying across the room for crashing all the time.

[TheBoy]

Windows 7 has been installed on one of my test machines - seems good and fast for an early beta - seems to be what Vista should have been!!  Still bloatware though!!

I am using it as well speak...  ...should really go back to Vista, is this is my main machine, but I'm getting attached to Win7  

[sev]

Awesome, i'll be looking out for one of those  

Like you, i'm not a fan of combined solutions for the same reasons.

I use an apple airport setup for my wifi (mussus' laptop, and yes, I know you don't like apple)

You are missing out.  Why the resistance to the Vista Kernel?

I think that's clever sensationalism by the press, superb 'i'm a Mac' campaign by apple, and windows users belly aching that their lazy suppliers' softare won't run on vista, when the reality is that they should have moved off 16bit coding years ago, and looked to 32/64 bit compatibility.

I'm glad that MS, has finally started to wring their necks and force them to code for the new technology, and more specifically get their api houses in order.  - but it's exactly what apple had to do when they moved from OS 9 to OS X.

I think that MS, should have concentrated on looking at marketing the advantages, in their commercials and sorting out early issues earlier!

that's essentially the success of the apple 'i'm a mac' campaign, it just told you what MAc could do that Vista couldn't  - so simple but it worked.

Also I really feel that MS would be better concentrating on making it's OS so cross compatible and useable rather than trying to force everyone into bespoke technologies like Direct X10.

That's why i've waited, as the software developers like autodesk and dassault waited till there were mature Open GL drivers for vista before committing to porting to the platform, preferring to stay with XP.

I'm looking forward to it, i'm looking forward to the stability (hopefully) and the integration.  I'll be installing Ultimate 64bit - and i've already got my three main apps ready to rock in 64bit!  

I'd love to have a sit down with MS, and chat about all this, I think it's fascinating, and as an ex apple user, I kind of see things through different eyes.... and a roll neck... but i've lost the smug cloud above my head (one comes foil wrapped in all apple products).  

[iggy21uk]

Its not out as a public beta yet, so I guess most people using it are doing so illegally.  We'll find out in a few days when they go to activate it

I'm (un)lucky enough to work for one of the launch partners, so have access to early copies

I like it.  It's pretty much just Vista, with the Aero Window Manager improved a bit further.  I think its a bit much to say its miles better than Vista :-/ - it's Vista with a tweaked (for the better admittedly) Aero.

The drivers should be good, as it uses the Vista driver model, and most reasonably modern hardware has Vista drivers.  Certainly not come across driver issues so far  :-/

For an early beta, I was impressed with the speed. OK, I have a decent machine to run it on (Experience index 4.2, with CPU being 7.1).


I generally think its the right evolution.  It doesn't deserve a new major version number - thats marketting due to resistance to Vista, mainly drummed up by daft journalists who are inept - its more like XP (Windows 5.1) was to Windows 2000 (Windows 5.0), or Windows 2003 (Windows 5.2) to Windows 2000 (Windows 5.0).


However, I think Vista is the best general desktop OS available, so Win7, being Vista with tweaks, should be better.

Microsoft's Windows 7 public beta is now live - 10th Jan 09

I think. Servers were overloaded  

[TheBoy]

You are missing out.  Why the resistance to the Vista Kernel?

I think that's clever sensationalism by the press, superb 'i'm a Mac' campaign by apple, and windows users belly aching that their lazy suppliers' softare won't run on vista, when the reality is that they should have moved off 16bit coding years ago, and looked to 32/64 bit compatibility.

I'm glad that MS, has finally started to wring their necks and force them to code for the new technology, and more specifically get their api houses in order.  - but it's exactly what apple had to do when they moved from OS 9 to OS X.

I think that MS, should have concentrated on looking at marketing the advantages, in their commercials and sorting out early issues earlier!

that's essentially the success of the apple 'i'm a mac' campaign, it just told you what MAc could do that Vista couldn't  - so simple but it worked.

Also I really feel that MS would be better concentrating on making it's OS so cross compatible and useable rather than trying to force everyone into bespoke technologies like Direct X10.

That's why i've waited, as the software developers like autodesk and dassault waited till there were mature Open GL drivers for vista before committing to porting to the platform, preferring to stay with XP.

I'm looking forward to it, i'm looking forward to the stability (hopefully) and the integration.  I'll be installing Ultimate 64bit - and i've already got my three main apps ready to rock in 64bit!  

I'd love to have a sit down with MS, and chat about all this, I think it's fascinating, and as an ex apple user, I kind of see things through different eyes.... and a roll neck... but i've lost the smug cloud above my head (one comes foil wrapped in all apple products).  

The MS comeback ad to that - the one about how easy it is to upgrade a mac - is a classic, shame they lost their bottle  

64bit has hidden dangers - piss poor drivers. Just be aware of that before jumping in with both feet.  The situation is improving rapidly (to get Vista Certification, you have to ensure your hardware/software is 64bit compatible).

Apple users and developers are used to having to abandon old code - its happened 3 times - port from Motorola to PPC, jump to OS X, and now the switch to Intel.

MS has always bent over (too?) backwards to ensure backwards compatibility. Now that they are enforcing a tidy up to sloppy programming, everyone is up in arms. I can't understand it.

[TheBoy]

Its not out as a public beta yet, so I guess most people using it are doing so illegally.  We'll find out in a few days when they go to activate it

I'm (un)lucky enough to work for one of the launch partners, so have access to early copies

I like it.  It's pretty much just Vista, with the Aero Window Manager improved a bit further.  I think its a bit much to say its miles better than Vista :-/ - it's Vista with a tweaked (for the better admittedly) Aero.

The drivers should be good, as it uses the Vista driver model, and most reasonably modern hardware has Vista drivers.  Certainly not come across driver issues so far  :-/

For an early beta, I was impressed with the speed. OK, I have a decent machine to run it on (Experience index 4.2, with CPU being 7.1).


I generally think its the right evolution.  It doesn't deserve a new major version number - thats marketting due to resistance to Vista, mainly drummed up by daft journalists who are inept - its more like XP (Windows 5.1) was to Windows 2000 (Windows 5.0), or Windows 2003 (Windows 5.2) to Windows 2000 (Windows 5.0).


However, I think Vista is the best general desktop OS available, so Win7, being Vista with tweaks, should be better.

Microsoft's Windows 7 public beta is now live - 10th Jan 09

I think. Servers were overloaded  

Yes, mentioned further up.  My mistake, I assumed MS would do their usual, and wait fro beta2 before public beta testing.

[TheBoy]

I would have to say, if you have the hardware to run it (and you don't mind using beta software and the risks that entails), give it a go.  I am warming to it quite a lot.

So far, I've had a single IE lockup, needing it to be killed off, and a few continous Contine/Retry dialogs about no disk in CD drive - esp when using the post-it style notes (that survive reboots, and stay on your desktop).  Not bad for a first beta to be honest.