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[Taxi_Driver]

Question about Vista and Windows7?

Someone was telling me today they had lappy with Vista on it, dont know the specs, but the lappy came with Vista installed.
It kept hanging/locking up, so he took it to a pc repair shop, who told him the 1gb ram wasnt enough and upgraded it to 3gb.
Apparently he's not had a problem since.

My thoughts on this were, surely Vista shouldnt lockup just because it hasnt enough ram, run slow ok, with swapping to PF and that the repair shop just got lucky and swapped out a duff ram chip.

Or is Vista/Windows7 this resource hungry and results in locking/hanging if not enough available?

[TheBoy]

Question about Vista and Windows7?

Someone was telling me today they had lappy with Vista on it, dont know the specs, but the lappy came with Vista installed.
It kept hanging/locking up, so he took it to a pc repair shop, who told him the 1gb ram wasnt enough and upgraded it to 3gb.
Apparently he's not had a problem since.

My thoughts on this were, surely Vista shouldnt lockup just because it hasnt enough ram, run slow ok, with swapping to PF and that the repair shop just got lucky and swapped out a duff ram chip.

Or is Vista/Windows7 this resource hungry and results in locking/hanging if not enough available?

It won't lock up. 1G is the minimum really, if your graphics use integrated memory, you may be short.

I'd say duff RAM.

[TheBoy]

If it helps, my Windows 7 is using 1.19G currently, running

Outlook 2007, with couple of emails open
Ie8 - 2 instances, one with 2 tabs, other with one
Windows Explorer
A few of the new Post-It stickies
Media Player
VMWare Infrastructure client
Putty
Filezilla
Task Manager

[sev]

The MS comeback ad to that - the one about how easy it is to upgrade a mac - is a classic, shame they lost their bottle  

64bit has hidden dangers - piss poor drivers. Just be aware of that before jumping in with both feet.  The situation is improving rapidly (to get Vista Certification, you have to ensure your hardware/software is 64bit compatible).

Apple users and developers are used to having to abandon old code - its happened 3 times - port from Motorola to PPC, jump to OS X, and now the switch to Intel.

MS has always bent over (too?) backwards to ensure backwards compatibility. Now that they are enforcing a tidy up to sloppy programming, everyone is up in arms. I can't understand it.

I agree about the ad, really the simple appraoch is best, and they could have used it to expound the virtues of the OS as well.

I've heard this about the 64bit version, but all my device drivers are vista certified anyway - spaceball and wacom tablet.

I know all to well about the OS jump, but the transition from OS9 - X was made really easy by running the old OS in an invisible shell, so that the apps ran nativly within X.

I agree about what the problem was regarding driver issues, as you said, the option had been there for years, and tbh, 16bit compatibility ?!?

I don't play games on it, so the only software I run is from Adobe, MS, and High end design companies like Dassault and Autodesk.

They all have 64bit native versions now, so I figure it was time to make the leap.

I'll be running it with 8gb, and my Quadro card now has native vista 64 drivers also.

Thats apoint... will epc 3 work in vista ...

[mantahatch]

Just installed 7 on an old machine I had kicking about, it installed first time with no hassle.

The spec f the machine is:

AMD XP2800 cpu
512mb RAM
64mb graphics card

It seams to run quite quickly as well  

Only played with it for about an hour after install, installed AVG and Sophos with no problems.

So far reasonably impressed. especially as if I go for it, it will end up on a much quicker machine

Mike

[TheBoy]

The MS comeback ad to that - the one about how easy it is to upgrade a mac - is a classic, shame they lost their bottle  

64bit has hidden dangers - piss poor drivers. Just be aware of that before jumping in with both feet.  The situation is improving rapidly (to get Vista Certification, you have to ensure your hardware/software is 64bit compatible).

Apple users and developers are used to having to abandon old code - its happened 3 times - port from Motorola to PPC, jump to OS X, and now the switch to Intel.

MS has always bent over (too?) backwards to ensure backwards compatibility. Now that they are enforcing a tidy up to sloppy programming, everyone is up in arms. I can't understand it.

I agree about the ad, really the simple appraoch is best, and they could have used it to expound the virtues of the OS as well.

I've heard this about the 64bit version, but all my device drivers are vista certified anyway - spaceball and wacom tablet.

I know all to well about the OS jump, but the transition from OS9 - X was made really easy by running the old OS in an invisible shell, so that the apps ran nativly within X.

I agree about what the problem was regarding driver issues, as you said, the option had been there for years, and tbh, 16bit compatibility ?!?

I don't play games on it, so the only software I run is from Adobe, MS, and High end design companies like Dassault and Autodesk.

They all have 64bit native versions now, so I figure it was time to make the leap.

I'll be running it with 8gb, and my Quadro card now has native vista 64 drivers also.

Thats apoint... will epc 3 work in vista ...

When I went 64bit about 18m ago, I fell over on something I didn't consider - one of the printers.  If you have odd/old plotters etc for your cad work, check they have 64b drivers

[TheBoy]

Just installed 7 on an old machine I had kicking about, it installed first time with no hassle.

The spec f the machine is:

AMD XP2800 cpu
512mb RAM
64mb graphics card

It seams to run quite quickly as well  

Only played with it for about an hour after install, installed AVG and Sophos with no problems.

So far reasonably impressed. especially as if I go for it, it will end up on a much quicker machine

Mike

A fresh OS should always be fast (XP in particular tends to start to crawl after a few months - rebuild it!).

Saying that, I'm might impressed with the speed of win7, though admittedly I'm running it on reasonable hardware.

[stuart30]

Is there any real benefit for the "average"" vista user too go and get Windows 7.?

Cost isnt an issue btw...just curious.

[TheBoy]

Is there any real benefit for the "average"" vista user too go and get Windows 7.?

Cost isnt an issue btw...just curious.

it is like xp was to w2k - basically the same, just improved.  Its not the big jump from 9x to xp, or xp to vista

[stuart30]

Is there any real benefit for the "average"" vista user too go and get Windows 7.?

Cost isnt an issue btw...just curious.

it is like xp was to w2k - basically the same, just improved.  Its not the big jump from 9x to xp, or xp to vista

Ok thanks TB makes sense....

Bored so might change just for the sake of it....can always go back Vista Ult.

[TheBoy]

Is there any real benefit for the "average"" vista user too go and get Windows 7.?

Cost isnt an issue btw...just curious.

it is like xp was to w2k - basically the same, just improved.  Its not the big jump from 9x to xp, or xp to vista

Ok thanks TB makes sense....

Bored so might change just for the sake of it....can always go back Vista Ult.

Yup.  The beta is an Ultimate version anyway.

[sev]

TB, would you say that the W7 beta is stable enough to run an everyday platform on, or is it still wise to configure a dual boot or VM?

I still haven't installed my Vista yet, but after following this thread, i'm very tempted to just download W7beta.

Also, I've got three lovely fresh drives, and my thoughts were:

Two drives raid 0 for apps and OS
1 drive for common storage

or

1 drive for os and apps
1 drive for user files
1 drive for shared media - pictures/ video/music and scrathc discs?

Oh, and you're right sb8530 - bog cheap on the fleabay thanks for that  

[TheBoy]

TB, would you say that the W7 beta is stable enough to run an everyday platform on, or is it still wise to configure a dual boot or VM?

I still haven't installed my Vista yet, but after following this thread, i'm very tempted to just download W7beta.

Also, I've got three lovely fresh drives, and my thoughts were:

Two drives raid 0 for apps and OS
1 drive for common storage

or

1 drive for os and apps
1 drive for user files
1 drive for shared media - pictures/ video/music and scrathc discs?

Oh, and you're right sb8530 - bog cheap on the fleabay thanks for that  

Its beta, I couldn't possibly recommend you use it as your main machine.  But my desktop is, and seriously considering doing my laptop.


its a sb5830, not a sb8530...

If it has knobbled firmware, let me know.

[sev]

its a sb5830, not a sb8530...

If it has knobbled firmware, let me know.

that's the one I meant!  doh!  anyway it's the only one up for sale at the mo, and it's missing it's power adaptor.

[TheBoy]

its a sb5830, not a sb8530...

If it has knobbled firmware, let me know.

that's the one I meant!  doh!  anyway it's the only one up for sale at the mo, and it's missing it's power adaptor.

PSUs are a bit odd, wait for one with a PSU