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[dippydave]

in the post today a notice from West Mercia police saying i was caught by a silly yellow box 'speeding' in a 30mph zone. GRRRRR

doing Thirty-flipping-Five mph!!!!!  35! i ask you.

Beware what speedos are telling you when near cameras!

As it was a fine sunday afternoon, i reckon they've made a mint on that day as i was doing the same speed as all the rest of the traffic! I guess it must be an accident blackspot or something but we were just crusing through the village at about 30mph i thought.

If memory serves it was the A4103 from Hereford to Worcester which is mostly a 50/60 limit and 30s in the villages. So as is the norm, its often impossible on country roads to go over the 60 limit, but apparently easy to be over the 30.

I can't decide what I'm more annoyed about though, getting a £60 fine and 3 points or the fact is was for only 5mph over a limit!

although i don't condone irresponsible driving of any sort, which sometimes includes speeding, I was taught that driving to the conditions is more important than speedo watching. So i'm (almost) always careful to be under 30mph limits, but on the motorway i've been harrassed doing 70mph and have often stuck at more...Which reminds me i failed my first driving test for driving too slowly....haha!

I don't think there's anything i can do about the ticket except take it on the chin, but feel the need to vent here.
  
aah. thanks.


PS even more annoying, Tomtom said i was doing 30mph. last time i trust that piece of technology!

PPS hunting through google i found the same speed camera (Leigh Sinton) was burnt with a petrol filled tyre in nov 2007.....

[dippydave]

Just found this pic of the actual bleeping camera.http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/818870

i love the quote underneath
"The speed camera is nicely positioned to trap any road users who've got bored with driving unnecessarily slowly."

I remember seeing the camera and even the flash (my passengers remember too) but we figured as i was driving slowly the flash must've been for someone speeding through the other way.,.. hey ho.

lesson learned. road angel on purchase list now!

[Sad]

Bad luck...  I've only just got rid of the 3 points I got in a very similar situation...

A Tom Tom thinks everywhere is flat so if you're going up or down a hill it throws out the speed calculations on it...

[gwa]

in the post today a notice from West Mercia police saying i was caught by a silly yellow box 'speeding' in a 30mph zone. GRRRRR

doing Thirty-flipping-Five mph!!!!!  35! i ask you.

Beware what speedos are telling you when near cameras!

As it was a fine sunday afternoon, i reckon they've made a mint on that day as i was doing the same speed as all the rest of the traffic! I guess it must be an accident blackspot or something but we were just crusing through the village at about 30mph i thought.

If memory serves it was the A4103 from Hereford to Worcester which is mostly a 50/60 limit and 30s in the villages. So as is the norm, its often impossible on country roads to go over the 60 limit, but apparently easy to be over the 30.

I can't decide what I'm more annoyed about though, getting a £60 fine and 3 points or the fact is was for only 5mph over a limit!

although i don't condone irresponsible driving of any sort, which sometimes includes speeding, I was taught that driving to the conditions is more important than speedo watching. So i'm (almost) always careful to be under 30mph limits, but on the motorway i've been harrassed doing 70mph and have often stuck at more...Which reminds me i failed my first driving test for driving too slowly....haha!

I don't think there's anything i can do about the ticket except take it on the chin, but feel the need to vent here.
  
aah. thanks.


PS even more annoying, Tomtom said i was doing 30mph. last time i trust that piece of technology!

PPS hunting through google i found the same speed camera (Leigh Sinton) was burnt with a petrol filled tyre in nov 2007.....

Who is Leigh Sinton, is he a member

[unlucky alf]

i know its a bit late now but get yourself a TALEX, ive got one & its saved me fortunes [not that i speed of course ],it gives you warnings of all static as well as mobile van sites, tells you the speed of the road, the actual speed you are doing & it can be updated [for a fee], you can also programme in cam sites manually if not in the data base, the only drawback is that if you are speeding after a cam warning it nags you saying "attention, reduce speed" in a womans voice until you slow down

[doog]

fill in the form and return it unsigned

the law states you have to tell them who was driving at the time it does not say you have to sign the form
they will send two coppers to your door to try and get you to say it was you who was driving
 just keep saying all the info they need  is on the form but dont lie to them
i got off with it 2 years ago  this very way

Police have no power to compel car owners to sign the form just dont admit it to them

Doug

[Jim]

What was the date of the offence, is it within the 14 day policy

[gwa]

What was the date of the offence, is it within the 14 day policy

What 14 day policy???

[Jim]

What was the date of the offence, is it within the 14 day policy

What 14 day policy???

The Notice of Intended Prosection NIP for short the letter which first arrives has to be with the registered owner of the vehicle within 14 days, if it's over the 14 day period it can be ruled out.

Read This:

The Road Traffic Offenders Act 1988, Section 1.-
1.—(1) Subject to section 2 of this Act, where a person is prosecuted for an offence to which this section applies, he is not to be convicted unless—
( c ) within fourteen days of the commission of the offence a notice of
the intended prosecution specifying the nature of the alleged offence
and the time and place where it is alleged to have been committed,
was—
(ii) in the case of any other offence, served on him or on the
person, if any, registered as the keeper of the vehicle at the time
of the commission of the offence.
--------------------------------------------------------------------
The Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994, Section 6.-(3)
inserted the following sub-section into the RTOA 1988 (as above).
--------------------------------------------------------------------
(1A) A notice required by this section to be served on any person
may be served on that person—
(a) by delivering it to him;
(b) by addressing it to him and leaving it at his last known
address; or
( c ) by sending it by registered post, recorded delivery service or
first class post addressed to him at his last known address.
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Therefore, second class post is not a valid method of service under
section 1, and the accused is "not to be convicted."

The 14 day time limit only applies to the first NIP in the chain, i.e. the one to the registered keeper.

[dippydave]

What was the date of the offence, is it within the 14 day policy

yeah, it was last sunday the 11th. wow you have a lot of knowledge of the road laws!!

as for the unsigning of the form thing, it seems a small technicality to get off on?

and yeah, getting a talex or road angel is a bit like shutting stable door after horse has bolted but better that than let the donkeys out too! Where did you get your Talex?

anyone know why/how the camera's set to as low as 35mph whereas in birmingham my friend got let off with a 'strong word' for doing 40 in a 30?

[TheBoy]

in the post today a notice from West Mercia police saying i was caught by a silly yellow box 'speeding' in a 30mph zone. GRRRRR

doing Thirty-flipping-Five mph!!!!!  35! i ask you.

Beware what speedos are telling you when near cameras!

As it was a fine sunday afternoon, i reckon they've made a mint on that day as i was doing the same speed as all the rest of the traffic! I guess it must be an accident blackspot or something but we were just crusing through the village at about 30mph i thought.

If memory serves it was the A4103 from Hereford to Worcester which is mostly a 50/60 limit and 30s in the villages. So as is the norm, its often impossible on country roads to go over the 60 limit, but apparently easy to be over the 30.

I can't decide what I'm more annoyed about though, getting a £60 fine and 3 points or the fact is was for only 5mph over a limit!

although i don't condone irresponsible driving of any sort, which sometimes includes speeding, I was taught that driving to the conditions is more important than speedo watching. So i'm (almost) always careful to be under 30mph limits, but on the motorway i've been harrassed doing 70mph and have often stuck at more...Which reminds me i failed my first driving test for driving too slowly....haha!

I don't think there's anything i can do about the ticket except take it on the chin, but feel the need to vent here.
  
aah. thanks.


PS even more annoying, Tomtom said i was doing 30mph. last time i trust that piece of technology!

PPS hunting through google i found the same speed camera (Leigh Sinton) was burnt with a petrol filled tyre in nov 2007.....

Have to take on the chin if you were speeding - their stuff is normally accurate and calibrated, despite what trash like watchdog may say.  If you really believe you weren't speeding, up to you if you choose to fight it.

As for TomTom, no, that will never be accurate as a speedo.  The one on the dash is pretty accurate, or reads slightly over.

[TheBoy]

i know its a bit late now but get yourself a TALEX, ive got one & its saved me fortunes [not that i speed of course ],it gives you warnings of all static as well as mobile van sites, tells you the speed of the road, the actual speed you are doing & it can be updated [for a fee], you can also programme in cam sites manually if not in the data base, the only drawback is that if you are speeding after a cam warning it nags you saying "attention, reduce speed" in a womans voice until you slow down

Only any good if that camera was in its database. The OP has tomtom that can do cameras anyway.

[tmx]

30MPH A4103 Leigh Sinton! thats a rite little b***ted that one! its a proper money earner the area has no accident blackspots its just the locals complained like mad to get a camera!


West mercia police always obey to the 14 day rule infact i know they do

That camera is deffinatly on the pocketGPS database!

[unlucky alf]

got my TALEX a few years ago from somerfields [yes the supermarket] & was very cheap at the time, but ive seen them on fleabay but of course the price varies, i got mine after getting snapped by a mobile cam on a flyover in my old 3.0 senator, if it saves you once its paid for itself, thats the way i look at it anyway

[ngrainqey]

you could ask them to send you a copy of the calibration certificate for the camera and see what they say?

anyway it's stupid because...
if you get stopped/checked by a police officer its at their discretion
and if you get photod by a fixed camera they're supposed to give the 10% anyway afaik
you could have bought an ex plod omega and argued that your speedo was calibrated to the same standard as their cars are and said that it displayed 30 or whatever speed you were going