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[Nickbat]

Have you seen this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6257327.stm

So, it'll be goodbye to Aston, Bentley, Jaguar....

This Stavros guy is a nutter. Even IF (and it's a big IF), vehicle emissions do contribute to climate change, this will do nothing to stop it, except put a lot of people out of work.

This leftie green bandwagon is out of control. Makes my blood boil...

[jonny2112]

This leftie green bandwagon is out of control. Makes my blood boil...

Can't argue with that!  

[Markie]

This leftie green bandwagon is out of control. Makes my blood boil...

Can't argue with that!  

Yep, nothing surprises me about these idiots anymore  

[Martin_1962]

And how is this going to help with cutting emmisions from planes and lorries?

[CaptainZok]

As was recently stated in another thread, the biggest part of a cars pollution through its lifetime is in its manufacture.  I've yet to see any "green" politician suggest a tax incentive for those people who keep their car longer rather than buy a new one every couple of years.

[Tony H]

As was recently stated in another thread, the biggest part of a cars pollution through its lifetime is in its manufacture.  I've yet to see any "green" politician suggest a tax incentive for those people who keep their car longer rather than buy a new one every couple of years.

Good point

[sounds2k]

... it also won't do anything to cut emissions from the developing countries like China, which IIRC create the most CO2 at the moment anyway!!!  

[Chopsdad]

I'm going to get a 3.2 V6 next - whilst I still can.  We'll all be driving 600cc Smart cars soon  

[tunnie]

as long as it applys to brand new cars, not really bothered....

I don't see the point of 4x4's in citys, the Porsche KN is the perfect example...

[Omegatoy]

shamelessly lifted from another forum i frequent, here are some FACTS,
about pollutin and cars!! enjoy
Some facts about CO2 emissions that come from our side of the fence, not some tree hugging political puppet hollywood star spouting drivel.



Source - Evo magazine, Harry Metcalfe.

"CO2 : Are motorists really the villains?

biggest contributors to CO2 are:

24% - Power generation
14% - transport (including planes, cars, lorries and ships)
14% - Industry
8% - heating buildings
3% - released by rotting waste matter

Which countries are the main polluters?

20% - USA
>15% - China
<2% - UK

How much CO2 comes from cars in the UK?

Transport accounts for 22% of CO2 emissions in the uk, half of which comes from cars.

SUVs are the main culprits right?

Wrong. SUVs amount to 5% of the cars on UK roads and their contribution to the UKs total co2 emmisions is 0.5%

If every SUV owner in the UK junked their off roader in favour of a Toyota Prius hybrid, what would happen to emissions?

CO2 emissions in the UK would reduce by just 0.3%

What effect does the uk motorist have on global emmissions?

UK motorists contribute around 0.22% of the global CO2 produced each year. UK SUVs produce just 0.008% of the worlds CO2 emissions

Are total UK CO2 emissions rising?

UK CO2 emissions have reduced by 5.7% since 1990. By contrast those of china have increased by 89%, meaning it now emits twice the amount of CO2 as the whole of Europe.

No-one builds coal fired electricity power stations any more do they?

Yes. China is planning an additional 562 coal fired power stations over the next 8yrs - one every 5 days. India is planning 213 coal fired plants, the USA a further 72. Each will produce an extra four million tonnes of CO2 per year. Just 18 such power stations will emit CO2 levels equivalent to that from all UK motorists.

What would happen if everyone in the UK drove a Range Rover V8?

There were 30,874,000 cars registered in the UK in 2005. If they were all range rover V8s and each covered 12,000km a year, total CO2 emissions would increase by 10% in the UK, 0.2 per cent worldwide.

Surely aviation is another important source of C02?

Aviation is currently responsible for just 6% of the UK's total CO2 emissions, but this figure doubled between 1990 and 2000 and if current trends continue, will double again by 2030. "  
 
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[supermop]

Instead of punishing the drivers and hitting their pockets, I think the EU should cough up some incentive for the oil companies and car companies to kick start a hydrogen economy and build fuel cell vehicles en masse. The technology is almost there, but needs a boost. The main problem they have these days is hydrogen long term storage, as it has to be stored at -290 degrees or something ridiculous. Current research is pinned on the hopes of a nano-porus material that can store hydrogen in its liquid form for long periods of time. Whether the hydrogen is used for a combustion engine (like in BMW's prototype) or a fuel cell (as in GM's attempt and PSA's proto) is a matter of preference. They have electric cars that can do over 110mph and 0-60 in a mere 6 seconds.

Anyone remember the General Motors EV1 electric battery/fuel cell car? They pulled the plug on that project with the s**ttest reasoning ever, then crushed all the cars they built! I mean what the f**k?! What was the point in crushing them? The people that drove them actually liked them. Although they did look a bit rubbish.

My conclusion: there's no reason not to head towards a hydrogen economy. The initial outlay will pay for itself in a few years or decades guaranteed (IMHO). Instead of the EU and American governments and subsidiaries fining car manufacturers, oil companies, and most annoyingly, us... they should pay up for this to happen.

[Marks DTM Calib]

Its easier than that, fuel cells are problematic ina s much as you need to refine the hydrogen first which still uses large amounts of energy.

The daft thing is that most car can run on refined veg based products i.e. alcohol and bio-diesel (not the chip shop variety the refined version which is almost 100% diesel compatible!) and we currently pay farmers to not grow anything on upto 1/3 of their land.....so where is the sense!

On top of this, it is now becoming possible to burn various wood pulps, which can be grown, in power stations......

By growing a crop that is then turned into a useable fuel you will continuously be taking CO2 from the atmosphere as some of the waste is ploughed back into the land which then locks some CO2 away again........

[supermop]

Its easier than that, fuel cells are problematic ina s much as you need to refine the hydrogen first which still uses large amounts of energy.

The daft thing is that most car can run on refined veg based products i.e. alcohol and bio-diesel (not the chip shop variety the refined version which is almost 100% diesel compatible!) and we currently pay farmers to not grow anything on upto 1/3 of their land.....so where is the sense!

On top of this, it is now becoming possible to burn various wood pulps, which can be grown, in power stations......

By growing a crop that is then turned into a useable fuel you will continuously be taking CO2 from the atmosphere as some of the waste is ploughed back into the land which then locks some CO2 away again........

Research + money = results. I'm confident scientists can refine the hydrogen manufacturing and storage problem if they were allocated sufficient funds to do so.

[Marks DTM Calib]

Thats a long term solution which si going to take a good 20 years to cut in (replacement of existing vehicles etc), the alternative 'grow your own' could easily be done in the short/medium term.....

[Martin_1962]

Its easier than that, fuel cells are problematic ina s much as you need to refine the hydrogen first which still uses large amounts of energy.

The daft thing is that most car can run on refined veg based products i.e. alcohol and bio-diesel (not the chip shop variety the refined version which is almost 100% diesel compatible!) and we currently pay farmers to not grow anything on upto 1/3 of their land.....so where is the sense!

On top of this, it is now becoming possible to burn various wood pulps, which can be grown, in power stations......

By growing a crop that is then turned into a useable fuel you will continuously be taking CO2 from the atmosphere as some of the waste is ploughed back into the land which then locks some CO2 away again........

You're preaching to the converted here, we would all do our bit if we could - but they put too much tax on environmental fuels, we are one of the few places who is more tax than emmision happy