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[x25xe]

When the gap became too large you would get an engine sounding very rattly (old Talbot engines though sounded like this pretty much all the damn time!)

Having owned a Talbot Horizon, I can vouch for this!  Those engines were, of course, from the Simca days.

[Martin_1962]

Tunnie. Hydraulic self adjusting shims are simply the metal plates that are used to adjust the gap between the cams and the valves.

Hence tappety sound on a Senator = bad!

Older cars had tappets which needed manual adjustment periodically to do the same job. When the gap became too large you would get an engine sounding very rattly (old Talbot engines though sounded like this pretty much all the damn time!)

For a more technical (and better written) description, please await Marks post!

French Talbot engines - yes a very noisy item, whenever they get old they get noisy, why I don't know - think it is poor lubrication, as they are only a push rod lump. The UK push rod engines were however quiet in comparison and a lot more reliable, however accusing a Sunbeam owner of having a Horriblison is very risky to your wellbeing (OK I made two prats get out of a pub and listen and look carefully "See 3 doors not 5, no rattles and the engine is the correct way round!")

I can still hear Horribleison clatter in my head now!

[Martin_1962]

When the gap became too large you would get an engine sounding very rattly (old Talbot engines though sounded like this pretty much all the damn time!)

Having owned a Talbot Horizon, I can vouch for this!  Those engines were, of course, from the Simca days.

My comiserations - what made them rattle then?

[tunnie]

Cheers guys, I now know what they are  

My Senny makes a slighly ticking sound on idle, Graham mentioned that you can hear 2 sets. Because at idle up to 4k rpm the engine acts as two 3 pot engines, then at 4k rpm becomes a 6pot and wooosh.... your off!  

He reckoned some new plugs should sort me on that, about to do an oil & filter change on the Senator today, it it worth doing the oil strainer as BigRod mentioned? - Or is that the same thing as the filter?  :-/

[TheBoy]

Or is that the same thing as the filter?  :-/

No, its not the same thing

[tunnie]

Or is that the same thing as the filter?  :-/

No, its not the same thing

 8-)

Got a few bits to sort this morning, you ok on the Rover now? You mentioned you had some other jobs to do on it?

[TheBoy]

Or is that the same thing as the filter?  :-/

No, its not the same thing

 8-)

Got a few bits to sort this morning, you ok on the Rover now? You mentioned you had some other jobs to do on it?

Need bits to continue with Rover - they gave me a load of wrong parts  

[tunnie]

Or is that the same thing as the filter?  :-/

No, its not the same thing

 8-)

Got a few bits to sort this morning, you ok on the Rover now? You mentioned you had some other jobs to do on it?

Need bits to continue with Rover - they gave me a load of wrong parts  

Bugger  

You getting the parts this weekend, or is that next weeks job?

[TheBoy]

Or is that the same thing as the filter?  :-/

No, its not the same thing

 8-)

Got a few bits to sort this morning, you ok on the Rover now? You mentioned you had some other jobs to do on it?

Need bits to continue with Rover - they gave me a load of wrong parts  

Bugger  

You getting the parts this weekend, or is that next weeks job?

Next week now...

[tunnie]

at least its running again  

[TheBoy]

at least its running again  

Yup

[Admin]

Cheers guys, I now know what they are  

My Senny makes a slighly ticking sound on idle, Graham mentioned that you can hear 2 sets. Because at idle up to 4k rpm the engine acts as two 3 pot engines, then at 4k rpm becomes a 6pot and wooosh.... your off!  

He reckoned some new plugs should sort me on that, about to do an oil & filter change on the Senator today, it it worth doing the oil strainer as BigRod mentioned? - Or is that the same thing as the filter?  :-/

Oil strainer is, not suprisingly, in the sump.  It does the job of stopping crud in the sump getting into the oil feed lines.

You can take it out and clean it, but it is not a quick job...

The slight ticking noise you hear will be the injectors, completely normal.

[TheBoy]

Cheers guys, I now know what they are  

My Senny makes a slighly ticking sound on idle, Graham mentioned that you can hear 2 sets. Because at idle up to 4k rpm the engine acts as two 3 pot engines, then at 4k rpm becomes a 6pot and wooosh.... your off!  

He reckoned some new plugs should sort me on that, about to do an oil & filter change on the Senator today, it it worth doing the oil strainer as BigRod mentioned? - Or is that the same thing as the filter?  :-/

Oil strainer is, not suprisingly, in the sump.  It does the job of stopping crud in the sump getting into the oil feed lines.

You can take it out and clean it, but it is not a quick job...

The slight ticking noise you hear will be the injectors, completely normal.

Yes, I can confirm Tunnie's ticking noise sounds like injectors. Just VERY loud for injectors...

[x25xe]

Tunnie. Hydraulic self adjusting shims are simply the metal plates that are used to adjust the gap between the cams and the valves.

Hence tappety sound on a Senator = bad!

Older cars had tappets which needed manual adjustment periodically to do the same job. When the gap became too large you would get an engine sounding very rattly (old Talbot engines though sounded like this pretty much all the damn time!)

For a more technical (and better written) description, please await Marks post!

French Talbot engines - yes a very noisy item, whenever they get old they get noisy, why I don't know - think it is poor lubrication, as they are only a push rod lump. The UK push rod engines were however quiet in comparison and a lot more reliable, however accusing a Sunbeam owner of having a Horriblison is very risky to your wellbeing (OK I made two prats get out of a pub and listen and look carefully "See 3 doors not 5, no rattles and the engine is the correct way round!")

I can still hear Horribleison clatter in my head now!

Yes, agreed.  The UK push rod engines were, of course, the Rootes item - far better all round!  Our Hillman Minx (Arrow Shape) went round the clock twice which was quite an event in those days.

[x25xe]

When the gap became too large you would get an engine sounding very rattly (old Talbot engines though sounded like this pretty much all the damn time!)

Having owned a Talbot Horizon, I can vouch for this!  Those engines were, of course, from the Simca days.

My comiserations - what made them rattle then?

That car met it's end when the rear suspension collapsed when going round a roundabout.

I don't know why the engine rattled so much - I suppose the valve gear was not that well put together, plus not a good oil feed.  It was not a refined unit............