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[pscocoa]

There may be an issue over gross misconduct. If information has come to light which demonstrates fraud or wilful neglect then theoretically there may be grounds for reviewing his package. However, let us not forget that in all the files there will be many others inolved in this mess and I should be very surprised if Goodwin was acting contrary to advice received from lawyers and financial advisors. It is the integrity of this advice that also needs to be investigated - no doubt these people are still on the scene.

There are of course other board members who will have to account for their part in this and also whether the government was misled at all by any of the so called professional firms.

[albitz]

Harman is trying to pile pressure on Brown and back him into a corner she hopes he cant get out of because she desperately wants his job.

[hotel21]

Picture the future.....

GB plc looses any fatally flawed attempt to turn back the clock and remove the chaps negotiated right (wrong?) to his pension.

Sometime in the future, said chap takes a walk across a bridge in London or wherever and gets prodded by the tip of an umbrella.  Miraculously, the 'problem' goes away.

Theres already a precedent for that one, albeit from another (not so distant politically) country.....  

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article641827.ece

[albitz]

While we are hypothosising(is that a real word? ) on conspiracy theories,what do all these(and possibly a few others)have in common?
John Smith
Tony Banks (think that was his name-ex sports minister)
Mo Mowlam
Robin Cook
Dr, David Kelly
They all died before they would normally have been expected to,and it was advantageous to Tony Blairs career when they did.

[HolyCount]

He should at least lose his knighthood ---- back in the day a cock up like this would have cost him his head !!!!

[albitz]

well,if Jeffrey Archer didnt lose his,and unbelievably Mandelson has recently had one bestowed on him................

[HolyCount]

well,if Jeffrey Archer didnt lose his,and unbelievably Mandelson has recently had one bestowed on him................

Good points -- these days the bestowed titles are worthless

[Lizzie_Zoom]

It is a corrupt system, so I doubt we can expect any honourable solution..........like someone losing their head!

[STMO123]

Just heard an employment lawyer commenting on the telly. It doesn't look as if there's any way it can be reclaimed.

I'm glad, in a way. He shouldn't have got it but I'd feel uncomfortable about the law being changed to claw it back.

Just get an MI5 officer to kill him, that would be the british way

[albitz]

I think the most ridiculous thing I have seen in a long time was Mandelson speaking to reporters about Fred-"if he has a shred of decency,he will do the right thing". How that slimey crook can speak with a straight face about decency and the right thing.....
Just proves I suppose that,he is convinced that most of us are mugs.
I would imagine that if we knew the figures for his earnings and pensions etc,from his days as an MP+his days as a european commissioner+ his entitlements for being a lord,the total may be even more than Fred is getting.

[r1]

he should keep the money,the people whos butt needs kicking are the people who approved his contract

[albitz]

Although I think he is a disgrace,I read somewhere that he did forego his bonus and last years salary,maybe he is thinking that the idiots in government had the chance to slash the discretionary portion of his pension and were to dim too realise,so now that someone has told them, he is not going to cave in to the pressure being applied.
Another possible scenario is that he cut a deal with them to keep his pension,but now that it has made headlines the politicians are going back on the deal and are trying to align themselves with the "little man on the street".
Tbh anything is possible with this shower.

[HolyCount]

It is a corrupt system, so I doubt we can expect any honourable solution..........like someone losing their head!

I'm just an old fashioned kinda guy  

[Olympia5776]

Sadly this is the culmination of the "ME FIRST " attitude that has prevailed for the last three decades .
Remember the phrase " Greed is good " which was adopted as the banking industry's mantra.
I feel utterly ,utterly disgusted at the grasping, self centred and greedy attitude employed by these " pillers of society " who are singley responsible for bringing untold misery upon millions of decent people.

[Kevin Wood]

I did hear a creative solution to this problem on the radio this week. Let him keep his pension but invest his pension pot in the same toxic assets that the government has had to bail out. That way, his pension becomes truly performance related and, if it turns out that he wasn't as daft as we all think, he should have nothing at all to worry about.

Kevin