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[albitz]

It is being widely reported today that the government are soon going to announce a 20 mph speed limit in urban areas and on roads near schools.
Also reductions in speed limits at accident blackspots.
Discuss?!

[psl]

thats nothing new, all the scools round here have a 20mph limit outside then and more and more 20mph zones are poping up.

[PaulW]

Pointless.

If people don't stick to current levels, are they really going to stick to even lower ones??

And as many many other places say, its not speed which kills, its lack of solid driver training or respect for other road users and conditions which is the killer factor.  The amount of 17 year old neds I see round here ragging the absolute nuts off there cars (usually 1ltr saxo's or corsa's) just to get anywhere, aswell as speeding round corners, junctions, etc, no indication of change of direction, etc... Really annoys me...

Plus its just another back-handed tax increase on motorists (as usual)

Lower speed == less economical MPG == more fuel used == more revenue raised, and more pissed off motorists.

[cam2502]

I've no problem with 20mph near schools,most round here are that already. Think they should ease up a bit on the limits later on at night though,doing you for doing 40mph in urban areas at 3am is out of order in my opinion.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

20 mph speed limits are becoming increasingly popular around schools and in some residential areas, which I see as a very good thing as there are far too many human bodies, including children, around.

However on motorways, where pedestrians should never exist, there should be no limit!!

Watch the comments now!!

[TheBoy]

Already commonplace...

Unfortunately necessary due to retards of most ages not being able to understand the Green Cross Code, or have the brain power to implement it.  Perhaps the government should spend money on rerunning the 1970's campaigns.


My annoyance of this comes from where I work - roundabout city, aka Milton Keynes.

For those lucky enough to never have been there, Milton Keynes is a large, diverse, sprawling town that has the widest range of inhabitants.  Some of these inhabitants obviously have recently evolved from pond life.

The planners of MK have done a fantastic job of planning the town, keeping cars and pedestrians/cyclists seperate for safety reasons, and allowing good traffic flow. MK is built on a series of North/South and East/West roads, forming a grid. Some are single carriageway, most main grid roads are dual carriageway.  To keep pedestrians and cyclists safe from traffic, there is a seperate system of good 'roads' purely for them, called Redways. These Redways have bridges or subways wherever they cross a grid road.  Therefore, the gridroads were all at National Speed restrictions (60/70mph)

Ideal? Yes, absolutely. It works very, very, very well, and should be used in all large towns.

Problems? You bet.  The planners didn't comprehend quite how stupid the offspring of some of the more incredibly stupid inhabitants could be.  So, in certain parts of town, you have idiots, who to be fair lack the brain power to know that stepping out in front of a bus will hurt, step out in front of moving traffic with the obvious consequences.  There are also far too stupid to use the Redways. This seems to be a particular problem in certain parts of town - near the 'no-go' areas where the council tend to put the more problematic families.

The council's solution? Rather than tackle the real issue, lower the speed limits to 30/50mph.  A car hitting someone at 50mph is going to kill these people equally effectively as hitting them at 70.



Now, if I was in charge of the council there, I would keep the speed limits at the national levels. Yes, people stupid enough not to use the Redways will die, but some of these estates need a better gene pool anyway  


Anyway, now I've upset most of our North Bucks members.......

[TheBoy]

20 mph speed limits are becoming increasingly popular around schools and in some residential areas, which I see as a very good thing as there are far too many human bodies, including children, around.

However on motorways, where pedestrians should never exist, there should be no limit!!

Watch the comments now!!

I think you're too liberal...  

[Omega man 2]

20 mph speed limits are becoming increasingly popular around schools and in some residential areas, which I see as a very good thing as there are far too many human bodies, including children, around.

However on motorways, where pedestrians should never exist, there should be no limit!!

Watch the comments now!!

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[Lizzie_Zoom]

Already commonplace...

Unfortunately necessary due to retards of most ages not being able to understand the Green Cross Code, or have the brain power to implement it.  Perhaps the government should spend money on rerunning the 1970's campaigns.


My annoyance of this comes from where I work - roundabout city, aka Milton Keynes.

For those lucky enough to never have been there, Milton Keynes is a large, diverse, sprawling town that has the widest range of inhabitants.  Some of these inhabitants obviously have recently evolved from pond life.

The planners of MK have done a fantastic job of planning the town, keeping cars and pedestrians/cyclists seperate for safety reasons, and allowing good traffic flow. MK is built on a series of North/South and East/West roads, forming a grid. Some are single carriageway, most main grid roads are dual carriageway.  To keep pedestrians and cyclists safe from traffic, there is a seperate system of good 'roads' purely for them, called Redways. These Redways have bridges or subways wherever they cross a grid road.  Therefore, the gridroads were all at National Speed restrictions (60/70mph)

Ideal? Yes, absolutely. It works very, very, very well, and should be used in all large towns.

Problems? You bet.  The planners didn't comprehend quite how stupid the offspring of some of the more incredibly stupid inhabitants could be.  So, in certain parts of town, you have idiots, who to be fair lack the brain power to know that stepping out in front of a bus will hurt, step out in front of moving traffic with the obvious consequences.  There are also far too stupid to use the Redways. This seems to be a particular problem in certain parts of town - near the 'no-go' areas where the council tend to put the more problematic families.

The council's solution? Rather than tackle the real issue, lower the speed limits to 30/50mph.  A car hitting someone at 50mph is going to kill these people equally effectively as hitting them at 70.



Now, if I was in charge of the council there, I would keep the speed limits at the national levels. Yes, people stupid enough not to use the Redways will die, but some of these estates need a better gene pool anyway  


Anyway, now I've upset most of our North Bucks members.......

I am afraid TB I have, with a brother and a sister living there

Never again I hope!!

[TheBoy]

The other problem becoming apparent in the affected areas of MK, and no doubt elsewhere, is back roads (with a higher limit) become rat-runs, which drivers do tend to speed down more to 'win the race' with traffic going the more direct but slower route, so in reality, shifts the problem.

If the issue is pedestrians getting hit in road, then education of the pedestrains, rather than punishment of the motorists.  If I could safely cross the road properly at 3yrs old, I'm sure anyone can.



I should add, I was shocked at how kids today are unaware of road safety - I was on hols with my Bro and his kids, and they (the kids) do just walk out in the road without looking - they really have no idea, and these kids are old enough to know better, and academically pretty smart

[TheBoy]

I am afraid TB I have, with a brother and a sister living there

Never again I hope!!

In all seriousness, its a great place. Yes, it has problem areas like many very large towns, but it has many upsides - good employment (for those that want to work), good transport links, great traffic flow, good open areas, and lots of green areas, and everything you could ever need on your doorstep. Many Milton Keyneees never leave the grid - one of my old colleagues, bless her, didn't even know how to get to Buckingham (about 10 miles outside of 'the grid' on a straight road)

Its not a place I would want to live, I personally find it soul-less, and the current council's rules about how they spread out the problem familes, dragging all areas down. Plus I like the countryside, and the peace and quiet.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

I am afraid TB I have, with a brother and a sister living there

Never again I hope!!

In all seriousness, its a great place. Yes, it has problem areas like many very large towns, but it has many upsides - good employment (for those that want to work), good transport links, great traffic flow, good open areas, and lots of green areas, and everything you could ever need on your doorstep. Many Milton Keyneees never leave the grid - one of my old colleagues, bless her, didn't even know how to get to Buckingham (about 10 miles outside of 'the grid' on a straight road)

Its not a place I would want to live, I personally find it soul-less, and the current council's rules about how they spread out the problem familes, dragging all areas down. Plus I like the countryside, and the peace and quiet.

All I can say TB is that I have driven to MK on numerous occassions, but always ended up getting lost and using a different route in to their houses whilst using the 'V's' and the 'H's'!!  Everywhere, every roundabout, looks the bloody same!!

[TheBoy]

I am afraid TB I have, with a brother and a sister living there

Never again I hope!!

In all seriousness, its a great place. Yes, it has problem areas like many very large towns, but it has many upsides - good employment (for those that want to work), good transport links, great traffic flow, good open areas, and lots of green areas, and everything you could ever need on your doorstep. Many Milton Keyneees never leave the grid - one of my old colleagues, bless her, didn't even know how to get to Buckingham (about 10 miles outside of 'the grid' on a straight road)

Its not a place I would want to live, I personally find it soul-less, and the current council's rules about how they spread out the problem familes, dragging all areas down. Plus I like the countryside, and the peace and quiet.

All I can say TB is that I have driven to MK on numerous occassions, but always ended up getting lost and using a different route in to their houses whilst using the 'V's' and the 'H's'!!  Everywhere, every roundabout, looks the bloody same!!

The grid is fantastic, works really well, and impossible to get lost on.  Presumably you come up M1, so join H8 (from Jnc13) or H6/H5/H3 (from Jnc 14)?

Take, for example, the Vx Dealer - its on V4 (Watling St), between H5 (Portway) and H4 (Dansteed Way), so if you join MK at Jnc 13 of M1, cruise along H8 (Standing Way) until you get to V4 (Watling St), and keep going up until you get to H5 (Portway), then you know you are virtually there. Get to H4 (Dansteed Way), you've gone too far up.  Or join at Jnc14, get on H5 (Portway), hang a right when you hit V4 (Watling St).  Even if you go wrong, you always know where you are as you know where you are on the grid

(I should add, avoid that dealer like the plague though, as they are the most scummiest of scumbags)

[Lizzie_Zoom]

I am afraid TB I have, with a brother and a sister living there

Never again I hope!!

In all seriousness, its a great place. Yes, it has problem areas like many very large towns, but it has many upsides - good employment (for those that want to work), good transport links, great traffic flow, good open areas, and lots of green areas, and everything you could ever need on your doorstep. Many Milton Keyneees never leave the grid - one of my old colleagues, bless her, didn't even know how to get to Buckingham (about 10 miles outside of 'the grid' on a straight road)

Its not a place I would want to live, I personally find it soul-less, and the current council's rules about how they spread out the problem familes, dragging all areas down. Plus I like the countryside, and the peace and quiet.

All I can say TB is that I have driven to MK on numerous occassions, but always ended up getting lost and using a different route in to their houses whilst using the 'V's' and the 'H's'!!  Everywhere, every roundabout, looks the bloody same!!

The grid is fantastic, works really well, and impossible to get lost on.  Presumably you come up M1, so join H8 (from Jnc13) or H6/H5/H3 (from Jnc 14)?

Take, for example, the Vx Dealer - its on V4 (Watling St), between H5 (Portway) and H4 (Dansteed Way), so if you join MK at Jnc 13 of M1, cruise along H8 (Standing Way) until you get to V4 (Watling St), and keep going up until you get to H5 (Portway), then you know you are virtually there.  Or join at Jnc14, get on H5 (Portway), hang a right when you hit V4 (Watling St).  Even if you go wrong, you always know where you are as you know where you are on the grid

(I should add, avoid that dealer like the plague though, as they are the most scummiest of scumbags)

Not for me TB!  

Used to travel up from Bristol, but now yes would travel up the M1.  However no-mater what road names or numbers you could give me, I always have used landmarks and my instinct to find addresses.  But in MK my instinct goes to pot as I have no distinct landmarks to follow!!

[TheBoy]

I am afraid TB I have, with a brother and a sister living there

Never again I hope!!

In all seriousness, its a great place. Yes, it has problem areas like many very large towns, but it has many upsides - good employment (for those that want to work), good transport links, great traffic flow, good open areas, and lots of green areas, and everything you could ever need on your doorstep. Many Milton Keyneees never leave the grid - one of my old colleagues, bless her, didn't even know how to get to Buckingham (about 10 miles outside of 'the grid' on a straight road)

Its not a place I would want to live, I personally find it soul-less, and the current council's rules about how they spread out the problem familes, dragging all areas down. Plus I like the countryside, and the peace and quiet.

All I can say TB is that I have driven to MK on numerous occassions, but always ended up getting lost and using a different route in to their houses whilst using the 'V's' and the 'H's'!!  Everywhere, every roundabout, looks the bloody same!!

The grid is fantastic, works really well, and impossible to get lost on.  Presumably you come up M1, so join H8 (from Jnc13) or H6/H5/H3 (from Jnc 14)?

Take, for example, the Vx Dealer - its on V4 (Watling St), between H5 (Portway) and H4 (Dansteed Way), so if you join MK at Jnc 13 of M1, cruise along H8 (Standing Way) until you get to V4 (Watling St), and keep going up until you get to H5 (Portway), then you know you are virtually there.  Or join at Jnc14, get on H5 (Portway), hang a right when you hit V4 (Watling St).  Even if you go wrong, you always know where you are as you know where you are on the grid

(I should add, avoid that dealer like the plague though, as they are the most scummiest of scumbags)

Not for me TB!  

Used to travel up from Bristol, but now yes would travel up the M1.  However no-mater what road names or numbers you could give me, I always have used landmarks and my instinct to find addresses.  But in MK my instinct goes to pot as I have no distinct landmarks to follow!!

When I first worked there - early 1990s for BT - coming from a rural patch, I tried the landmark method in conjunction with a map. I'd look up customer's address, then see how to get there from one of my landmarks, eg Concrete Cows, Tesco etc. Soon learnt that knowing the grid was far more productive and easier.