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[Kevin Wood]

This



Vs This:

According to Google and National Rail, its no contest.

National rail lists journey time of 4 hours 31 mins on train, Google Maps says 7 hours 9 mins. (google does always over estimate a bit, but 3 hours!  )

If he does beat it, he will have to seriously put his foot down

Yes Tunnie but, this is a steam train and will have to stop for water every 100miles! Plus possibly a top up of the lubrication setup (coal should just be ok)

Didn't think a train loco had to actually stop for water ......  :-/

They didn't in the good old days. Most spectacular it was too, apparently.

Kevin

[Lizzie_Zoom]

The original A1 tenders carried 5,000 gallons of water, giving  a range of 100 miles.  This new tender for 60163 carries 6,200 gallons as Mark states,  so the range is reckoned to be increased to 120 miles (whoopy of course!! )

There are plans though for a second tender, as provided to A1 4472 Flying Scotsman in the 1970s, to carry 8,000 gallons, which would give a total estimated range of 300 miles.

Coal capacity in the original A1 tenders was 9 tons, but with 60163 due to the extra water capacity, this has been reduced to 7.5 tons which should still give a range of 300 miles before re-coaling.

 

[tunnie]

some interesting info here, i did not know it was brand new...


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/travel/news/article4908980.ece

[Martin_1962]

Maintenance is why they switched to diesel!

and on the subject of that, is a DMU cheaper to maintain that a loco hauled service?

I see that new Wrexham & Shropshire service with envy from London, they have proper engines on their trains and proper carriages.

When i hear them start up the the 67's they sound like a train should do, rather than the weasel powered 165's

They are not proper engines they are 67s

Proper engines are 37s 50s 55s 60s

Who would want a crappy 67 if there was the option of a large English Electric machine

[tunnie]

Maintenance is why they switched to diesel!

and on the subject of that, is a DMU cheaper to maintain that a loco hauled service?

I see that new Wrexham & Shropshire service with envy from London, they have proper engines on their trains and proper carriages.

When i hear them start up the the 67's they sound like a train should do, rather than the weasel powered 165's

They are not proper engines they are 67s

Proper engines are 37s 50s 55s 60s

Who would want a crappy 67 if there was the option of a large English Electric machine

Passengers of the 165's  

[tunnie]

cracking selection of photos here...

http://www.pistonheads.com/Gassing/topic.asp?h=0&t=671900&d=0&nmt=

[Lizzie_Zoom]

some interesting info here, i did not know it was brand new...


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/travel/news/article4908980.ece

Oh yes Tunnie, and it is fitted with the latest railway safety electronics, so 60163 Tornado is fully equipped for today’s main line railway.

If you like the originally designed 1920s engine which Tornado is based on has been built to 21st century (steam) railway engine standards

[Marks DTM Calib]

Maintenance is why they switched to diesel!

and on the subject of that, is a DMU cheaper to maintain that a loco hauled service?

I see that new Wrexham & Shropshire service with envy from London, they have proper engines on their trains and proper carriages.

When i hear them start up the the 67's they sound like a train should do, rather than the weasel powered 165's

They are not proper engines they are 67s

Proper engines are 37s 50s 55s 60s

Who would want a crappy 67 if there was the option of a large English Electric machine

I had a nose around the 37 last night....interesting.

A little under powered though.

[bob.dent]

OK so what's Clarkson going to be driving?

[Marks DTM Calib]

OK so what's Clarkson going to be driving?

Its not known.

The guess is a modern jag or mini.

He could drive an E-type or old mini but, he wouldn't be able to live with them on that length of journey!

[steverubberduck]

whatever he drives, all of the people behind the scenes would have sat down and made this a close race on paper.
just look at all of the previous races.
all of them have been close.

[TheBoy]

OK so what's Clarkson going to be driving?

Its not known.

The guess is a modern jag or mini.

He could drive an E-type or old mini but, he wouldn't be able to live with them on that length of journey!

LOL, I struggle after 50 miles is a modern mini. This is from someone who has no trouble doing 200m in a Rover 25...

[Martin_1962]

Maintenance is why they switched to diesel!

and on the subject of that, is a DMU cheaper to maintain that a loco hauled service?

I see that new Wrexham & Shropshire service with envy from London, they have proper engines on their trains and proper carriages.

When i hear them start up the the 67's they sound like a train should do, rather than the weasel powered 165's

They are not proper engines they are 67s

Proper engines are 37s 50s 55s 60s

Who would want a crappy 67 if there was the option of a large English Electric machine

I had a nose around the 37 last night....interesting.

A little under powered though.

Ultra reliable though and sound good.

I prefer the V16 over the V12 on the CSVT range - hence a 50 fan

[Lizzie_Zoom]

OK so what's Clarkson going to be driving?

Its not known.

The guess is a modern jag or mini.

He could drive an E-type or old mini but, he wouldn't be able to live with them on that length of journey!

LOL, I struggle after 50 miles is a modern mini. This is from someone who has no trouble doing 200m in a Rover 25...

No, especially being stuck in traffic jams on the M25 / M1 or A1 whatever!!

In fact thinking about those factors, Clarkson has lost the race before he starts!

[Marks DTM Calib]

Maintenance is why they switched to diesel!

and on the subject of that, is a DMU cheaper to maintain that a loco hauled service?

I see that new Wrexham & Shropshire service with envy from London, they have proper engines on their trains and proper carriages.

When i hear them start up the the 67's they sound like a train should do, rather than the weasel powered 165's

They are not proper engines they are 67s

Proper engines are 37s 50s 55s 60s

Who would want a crappy 67 if there was the option of a large English Electric machine

I had a nose around the 37 last night....interesting.

A little under powered though.

Ultra reliable though and sound good.

I prefer the V16 over the V12 on the CSVT range - hence a 50 fan

Lol, lot of body work rust on this one being plated up which the guys working on it were surprised about given how much oil the engine leaks (seems to be a common thread for diesel locos!)

We had a closer look at the rail crane engine last night, white metal all round the sump so it needs lifting out......and a distinct lack of oil in the sump