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[Lizzie_Zoom]

Well we may see justice yet, with a police panel being set up to investigate all the wrong doings:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8052709.stm

or will we once more hear the so frequent expression eventually from the CPS that "it is not in the public interest to pursue a prosecution"  

Still perhaps the checking of MP's claims partially worked as I read in The Telegraph today that Sir Gerald Kaufman tried to claim £8,865 for a 40" Bang and Olufsen television, and was only reimbursed £750....................but the claim for an antiques rug imported from New Year for £1,851 and £15,329 for refurbishment of his London flat, out of the original claim for £28,834, as he stated he was "living in a slum", was paid!!!!!  

It just gets worse and worse!!  

To think one of the many ingredients of the peasants and middle class revolt that started the French Revolution in 1789 was over the excesses and abuses exercised by the aristocracy, along with the monarch, King Louis XVI, who lived in the very expensive splendor of the Versailles Palace whilst the poor got poorer, without any power to change anything!  

David Cameron has said these are dangerous times; they certainly are!     Politics is about to become very radical to reflect public anger.  

Will the citizens of this country ever get true justice, equality and pure democracy?? :-? :-?   Time for change!! 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)

[crazyjoetavola]

Well we may see justice yet, with a police panel being set up to investigate all the wrong doings:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8052709.stm

or will we once more hear the so frequent expression eventually from the CPS that "it is not in the public interest to pursue a prosecution"  

Still perhaps the checking of MP's claims partially worked as I read in The Telegraph today that Sir Gerald Kaufman tried to claim £8,865 for a 40" Bang and Olufsen television, and was only reimbursed £750....................but the claim for an antiques rug imported from New Year for £1,851 and £15,329 for refurbishment of his London flat, out of the original claim for £28,834, as he stated he was "living in a slum", was paid!!!!!  

It just gets worse and worse!!  

To think one of the many ingredients of the peasants and middle class revolt that started the French Revolution in 1789 was over the excesses and abuses exercised by the aristocracy, along with the monarch, King Louis XVI, who lived in the very expensive splendor of the Versailles Palace whilst the poor got poorer, without any power to change anything!  

David Cameron has said these are dangerous times; they certainly are!     Politics is about to become very radical to reflect public anger.  

Will the citizens of this country ever get true justice, equality and pure democracy?? :-? :-?   Time for change!! 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)

Which brings me back to Cromwell Ms Zoom!

[crazyjoetavola]

Will the citizens of this country ever get true justice, equality and pure democracy?? :-? :-?

I'm afraid that notion is as transient as the wind Ms. Zoom

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Will the citizens of this country ever get true justice, equality and pure democracy?? :-? :-?

I'm afraid that notion is as transient as the wind Ms. Zoom

We will see what happens at the next General Election.

Although 60% of voters are purely spectators, with 34% not participating, there are 6% who are the 'gladitors' of our democratic system will no doubt fight for change. 8-) 8-)

[crazyjoetavola]

Will the citizens of this country ever get true justice, equality and pure democracy?? :-? :-?

I'm afraid that notion is as transient as the wind Ms. Zoom

We will see what happens at the next General Election.

I hope your optimism is well placed Ms. Zoom.  I think many in the Palace of Westminster (not only the elected representatives) would need to set off on the road to Damascus in the hope that the essential moment arrives to guide them into good standing once more

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Will the citizens of this country ever get true justice, equality and pure democracy?? :-? :-?

I'm afraid that notion is as transient as the wind Ms. Zoom

We will see what happens at the next General Election.

I hope your optimism is well placed Ms. Zoom.  I think many in the Palace of Westminster (not only the elected representatives) would need to set off on the road to Damascus in the hope that the essential moment arrives to guide them into good standing once more

Once all the revelation has finished I reckon (hope!) that many will either be ousted from Westminster, in prison, or both! 8-) 8-) 8-)

We will then need a new generation of 'puritanical' MPs Zulu! 8-) 8-) 8-)

[crazyjoetavola]

Will the citizens of this country ever get true justice, equality and pure democracy?? :-? :-?

I'm afraid that notion is as transient as the wind Ms. Zoom

We will see what happens at the next General Election.

I hope your optimism is well placed Ms. Zoom.  I think many in the Palace of Westminster (not only the elected representatives) would need to set off on the road to Damascus in the hope that the essential moment arrives to guide them into good standing once more

Once all the revelation has finished I reckon (hope!) that many will either be ousted from Westminster, in prison, or both! 8-) 8-) 8-)

We will then need a new generation of 'puritanical' MPs Zulu! 8-) 8-) 8-)

   You are right, of course.  I look forward to having my faith in the basic goodness of those in authority restored.  I can't be that difficult can it? :-/ :-/

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Will the citizens of this country ever get true justice, equality and pure democracy?? :-? :-?

I'm afraid that notion is as transient as the wind Ms. Zoom

We will see what happens at the next General Election.

I hope your optimism is well placed Ms. Zoom.  I think many in the Palace of Westminster (not only the elected representatives) would need to set off on the road to Damascus in the hope that the essential moment arrives to guide them into good standing once more

Once all the revelation has finished I reckon (hope!) that many will either be ousted from Westminster, in prison, or both! 8-) 8-) 8-)

We will then need a new generation of 'puritanical' MPs Zulu! 8-) 8-) 8-)

   You are right, of course.  I look forward to having my faith in the basic goodness of those in authority restored.  I can't be that difficult can it? :-/ :-/

Trouble is I believe in Hobbes preaching; man is born greedy.  And so history has proved!

[crazyjoetavola]

Trouble is I believe in Hobbes preaching; man is born greedy.  And so history has proved!

In the first part many would say that we are sinners from the get go

In the second, proved time out of number.

It isn't hard being open minded, decent and an asset to society   - is it?

[crazyjoetavola]

'I put for the general inclination of all mankind, a perpetual and restless desire of power after power, that ceaseth only in death.'

That might well be where the pointer now rests Ms Zoom :-/ :-/

[HolyCount]

Cromwell had his moments -- he wasn't so great himself (but I am biased !)

[crazyjoetavola]

Cromwell had his moments -- he wasn't so great himself (but I am biased !)

You're not wrong there HC  

[Nickbat]

I think we're heading for a welcome sea-change in British politics, and this expenses furore has provided the right catalyst. This change will, I think, be signalled by a much higher vote for smaller parties and independents (UKIP, Libertarian, BNP, etc.) at the June elections.

There will be some who are attracted by the more extremist groups, but the main beneficiaries are likely to be UKIP.

The three major parties, with their patronage and whip system, need to recognise that, at the end of the day, each individual MP is sent to Westminster to represent his or her constituents...not to back the party-line, come what may.

[albitz]

I reckon the general election will be a bloodbath for the current lot(albeit with a low turnout) then it will be "meet the new boss,the same as the old boss"

[Lizzie_Zoom]

I think we're heading for a welcome sea-change in British politics, and this expenses furore has provided the right catalyst. This change will, I think, be signalled by a much higher vote for smaller parties and independents (UKIP, Libertarian, BNP, etc.) at the June elections.

There will be some who are attracted by the more extremist groups, but the main beneficiaries are likely to be UKIP.

The three major parties, with their patronage and whip system, need to recognise that, at the end of the day, each individual MP is sent to Westminster to represent his or her constituents...not to back the party-line, come what may.

Could not agree more Nick!