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Hard Drive
« on: 08 February 2007, 23:09:27 »

My PC is old and getting very slow. Now I dont know much about PCs except for turning them on and off but I have changed the 3 1/2 floppy drive when that packed up (yes I still use them). I have been reading that my 80GB hard drive which is constantly chattering might be full and replacing it is probably a good idea or at least having a new say 500GB drive as a slave. I have also read that mine is probably an IDE hard drive due to its age. My DVD Writer has also packed up and I am looking to replace this as well. My PC is a HP 2400 with 256MB DDR-SDRAM and an 80GB Hard Drive.

My question is for all of you that are in the know (because what I have just typed doesn't mean a thing to me ;D) which is the best HD and DVD Writer to go for and are thet pretty much plug and play.

Thanks in advance

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Re: Hard Drive
« Reply #1 on: 08 February 2007, 23:30:25 »

Not really in the know either Pete, but most drives are simply plug and play, and it would certainly help if you added some extra memory. Your main problems with changing the hard drive are that you will need to be able to transfer all your data, etc, but you will also need to install a OS. Shop around for the hard drive, but a decent DVD could be had for about £30 unless you are after something very specific. I'm sure someone will have much better advice shortly, but all upgrades depend on your needs. Another thing worth considering is that Dell were doing a very good spec desktop, including TFT screen, for about £330, though that was before Christmas.
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« Reply #2 on: 08 February 2007, 23:48:34 »

I won't go into make and models, there are good and there are better but all do the job in my view, others may have their own preferences so by all means make your recommendations..

What I would say is this:

1. Your system is in urgent need of a memory upgrade, without getting too technical the 256k is the main reason why your hard drive seems to be chattering all the time.

2. You will need an IDE drive. Not SATA – and form memory these only go up to around 300gb? I think that at some point they stopped making large IDE drives, so check the sizes available.

3. For a non-techie, the easiest is indeed to add the new drive as a slave and just use the extra space, but from the performance point of view it is better to install the new drive as the OS drive (it is likely to be faster than the old drive due to having larger cache etc). There are utilities that will allow you to easily migrate the contents of the old drive to the new drive – such as Symantec/Norton Ghost, PowerQuest DriveImage, etc – and it's not rocket science so worth the effort.

(and I know some will say that keeping the OS on a separate drive is better, I accept that this is the case for servers, but not sure it’s worth the bother on a desktop PC)

4. If your PC is an HP, the drive setup will be using ‘Cable Select’. This means that the jumpers on the hard drives should all be set to ‘Cable Select’ (or ‘CS’) – this should be explained either on a label on the hard drive itself or on the attached instructions. You will need to make sure that you have an IDE cable that has three ports – one of the mainboard and one for each of the two drives – and if the cable supplied with your system has only two ports then you will need to replace it with one that has three ports (it will also need to be ’80-pin’ cable, not ’40-pin’, but all new cables should be ’80-pin’ anyway).

If you have the three ports IDE cable, and the two hard drives are set to ‘Cable Select’ then it is only a matter of connecting them up. The IDE cable will also have the ports labelled as ‘Master’ (or ‘Drive 0’ or ‘Drive A’) and ‘Slave’ (or ‘Drive 1’ or Drive B’). The @master’ should e the old drive with the OS and the ‘Slave’ the new drive.

Hopefully, your PCs power supply has a spare power connector for the new drive, otherwise you may need to get a power splitter cable.

5. As for the CDROM/DVD, this will be connected on the secondary IDE channel, and typically using the older type of IDE cable (i.e. ’40-pin’). Technically you can connect the new drive as a second device on the same secondary IDE Channel as the CDROM/DVD, it works fine but for performance reasons it is not recommended (the CDROM/DVD is a slow device, and when there are fats and  slow devices mixed on the same IDE channel the speed drops to that of the slower device).

6. Another option available to you is to use external hard disk drive and external DVD Writer. You can get these as complete devices or as case-only and install your own drive in it. You will need to have a free USB2 connector on the PC and Win XP SP1 (or higher - e.g SP2) to get the high-speed USB support, but most PCs should have that anyway.

An external hard disk drive and/or external DVD Writer are much easier to connect, and they can also be easily used with a new PC when the current one is up for replacement. But the downsides are that (a) the setup is slightly more expensive due to the cost of the external cases, and (b) it is less tidy as the devices take-up desk space plus they may need direct mains connection (though some devices don’t).

Hope this helps….


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Re: Hard Drive
« Reply #3 on: 08 February 2007, 23:50:27 »

My suggestion would be. Yes get a larger hard drive but keep the existing one also. Plug the new drive into the 2nd IDE slot or get a double feed IDE cable and set both drives to CS (cable select) making sure that the new drive is at the furthest end of the cable, from the motherboard.

Transfer music, video,image files to the new larger drive and keep the exsisting drive for the OS and programs.

This is the easiest method as it does not require the OS to be reinstalled or settings changed in any way. If you go to "my computer" then right click on your C drive then select properties, this will show you the space you are using. There is also a disc clean up facility there, use that to delete unused data. Also on the tools tab you can do a defrag, these things may solve some of the issues without the need for a 2nd drive.

One last thing, go to "control panel" double click "system" and select the "hardware tab" then "device manager" then expand "IDE ATA/ATAPI controllers. Then right click  "primary ide channel" and select properties. Choose the "advanced settings" tab and make sure the transfer modes are DMA. Repeat for secondary for 2 drives.

Also remove unused programs using ADD/REMOVE PROGRAMS. You'll be surprised whats there that you dont use.

Should help if the drive still has plenty of space.  :y

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Re: Hard Drive
« Reply #4 on: 09 February 2007, 00:03:21 »

Also, I can recommend a freebie called Ccleaner, available from

http://download.piriform.com/ccsetup137.exe

When installing it, accept all defaults apart form the annoying Yahoo toolbar option which should be unticked.

It is perfectly safe and contains no viruses or hidden adaware/spyware etc… what it does is simply clean all the cookies, Internet Explorer cache, temp files etc. There are many utilities that do the same, if you have one you are happy with then fine, but I like Ccleaner because it is very simple and fast (and free).





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Re: Hard Drive
« Reply #5 on: 09 February 2007, 08:05:19 »

For those saying put new drive as slave, remember the new drive will be faster and hence better for os/app loading, and paging ;).

Personally, I think it is unwise to do the upgrades on a machine that old, so buy a new one...
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« Reply #6 on: 09 February 2007, 08:24:20 »

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...Personally, I think it is unwise to do the upgrades on a machine that old, so buy a new one...

Elite Pete: Errr.. in a word, yes... TB is right, get a new one....



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Re: Hard Drive
« Reply #7 on: 09 February 2007, 09:12:23 »

Thanks for the info chaps  :y
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Re: Hard Drive
« Reply #8 on: 09 February 2007, 11:38:19 »

Install a big new drive and put Windows on that instead (a clean build will do it good).

Stick the old hard disk in and copy the data over to the new disk, then take the old disk out. Running two hard disks on one IDE channel will slow the new disk down due to the limitations of IDE.
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Re: Hard Drive
« Reply #9 on: 09 February 2007, 12:51:54 »

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Install a big new drive and put Windows on that instead (a clean build will do it good).

Stick the old hard disk in and copy the data over to the new disk, then take the old disk out. Running two hard disks on one IDE channel will slow the new disk down due to the limitations of IDE.
Only on very old implementations.  Presumably, with an 80G disk, this system is new enough not to suffer that problem.  But still too old to warrant the expenditure of memory (DDR, so old) and disk.
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« Reply #10 on: 09 February 2007, 21:06:44 »

Jeeeez. that is one knackerd old pile of junk ready for the knackers yard.

But, he is a nice bloke and drives an MV6. And if he says it needs replacing he probably wants to sell yopu a PC is probably right!
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« Reply #11 on: 09 February 2007, 22:54:01 »

In all likleyhood TB is right; getting a new system is the best (and simplest) option,  However it would be useful to know how old the machine is as hard drives do have a life span.  You can easily tell how full the hard drive is by going to my computer, then assuming your hard drive is refered to as 'C' right clicking on it then selecting properties, it should tell you in the form of a pie chart.  

other factors to consider are the other components such as the video card that may prevent you using the newest programmes, if thats what you use the machine for.

In the interim, while you decide, you may help your hard drive by doing the following if you are running windows xp as your OS; (by the way if you are you really need a minimum of 512mb memory)

go to start
then run
type cmd
hit ok
type the following exactly, including spaces

convert c: /fs:ntfs
then hit return

the 'c' part is the letter that signifies your hard drive.

All that this does is change the form that operating files are stored and should slightly speed up your machine.

i suspect though that you are best off getting a new machine.

if you want any more info on any of the above please let me know.

now for the technical part!!!!   :-/

the probable cause for the chattering is this:

when you run a programme the information needed to run it is stored in the memory.  If there is not enough to store everything, it gets stored on the hard drive, in a 'virtual' memory  it takes longer to access this virtual memory on a hard drive than it does to access proper memory, and it slows the system down as it keeps needing to access the correct point on the hard drive (kind of like looking up an entry in the yellow pages continuously). the chattering is basically the same noise as you flicking through the pages.  The crux of the problem is that while the pc does this it struggles to do anything else.

if you check the hard drive and its not full more memory should help. :y
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