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[crazyjoetavola]

Well I have voted today, and that will be hopefully one of many nails to further the "get rid of Brown" coffin!

[size=24]Have you voted yet?? [/size]

These following words have as much relevance today as they did when first spoken, especially when we stand to exercise our democratic right.......

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8vm6AsZw40[/media]

A very thought provoking speech Zulu, that should remind us all that human life is short for the individual, but for our species has been a long and painful journey through experiences to test our resolve. 
 
It has not, and never will, be an easy run, either physically, socially, politically or spiritually. We will continually be challenged by seemingly over-whelming odds, but what makes man is that ability to rise up, meet, and exceed the demands placed on us by the forces within the universe.  The human species will only die when all endevour and spirit is forced out of us collectively by apathy or surrender to the perceived inevitable.  We must fight on as past generations have, and as futures ones will as well.

Today we are politically challenged, so let us all work together to bring about change; change which is for the good of all, that only a majority in a democratic system can produce.   

[size=16]Right on Ms Zoom[/size]


 

[hotel21]

My tuppenceworth, without delving too deeply into the historics of the thing, is that we now reap what has been sown, irrespective of the political persuasion of those (currently and previously) in power who created the legislation/laws that allowed the adaptation of the expenses guidelines.

Political situations are almost invariably perceived as the fault of the currently governing party, irrespective of the actual parentage of the legislation.

For years, there was no counter to Margaret Thatcher (Dennis Foote, anyone??) and I feel that this imbalance still remains.

Yes, the incumbent was non elected but I also feel that he is the fall guy for Tony Blairs 'crest of a wave' politicking, leaving the flotsam and jetsum for others to wade through.  I remain undecided as to whether its better to leap to an alternate or keep the devil we currently know but not neccessarily love....

I think he may well give the current system a gutting in order to keep his own status intact, as far as possible... 

[Lizzie_Zoom]

My tuppenceworth, without delving too deeply into the historics of the thing, is that we now reap what has been sown, irrespective of the political persuasion of those (currently and previously) in power who created the legislation/laws that allowed the adaptation of the expenses guidelines.

Political situations are almost invariably perceived as the fault of the currently governing party, irrespective of the actual parentage of the legislation.

For years, there was no counter to Margaret Thatcher (Dennis Foote, anyone??) and I feel that this imbalance still remains.

Yes, the incumbent was non elected but I also feel that he is the fall guy for Tony Blairs 'crest of a wave' politicking, leaving the flotsam and jetsum for others to wade through.  I remain undecided as to whether its better to leap to an alternate or keep the devil we currently know but not neccessarily love....

I think he may well give the current system a gutting in order to keep his own status intact, as far as possible... 

I think you mean Michael Foot H21

Dennis was Thatchers husband.

[hotel21]

My tuppenceworth, without delving too deeply into the historics of the thing, is that we now reap what has been sown, irrespective of the political persuasion of those (currently and previously) in power who created the legislation/laws that allowed the adaptation of the expenses guidelines.

Political situations are almost invariably perceived as the fault of the currently governing party, irrespective of the actual parentage of the legislation.

For years, there was no counter to Margaret Thatcher (Dennis Foote, anyone??) and I feel that this imbalance still remains.

Yes, the incumbent was non elected but I also feel that he is the fall guy for Tony Blairs 'crest of a wave' politicking, leaving the flotsam and jetsum for others to wade through.  I remain undecided as to whether its better to leap to an alternate or keep the devil we currently know but not neccessarily love....

I think he may well give the current system a gutting in order to keep his own status intact, as far as possible... 

I think you mean Michael Foot H21

Dennis was Thatchers husband.

Yup, Michael.  Been a long day.....   

[crazyjoetavola]

My tuppenceworth, without delving too deeply into the historics of the thing, is that we now reap what has been sown, irrespective of the political persuasion of those (currently and previously) in power who created the legislation/laws that allowed the adaptation of the expenses guidelines.

Political situations are almost invariably perceived as the fault of the currently governing party, irrespective of the actual parentage of the legislation.

For years, there was no counter to Margaret Thatcher (Dennis Foote, anyone??) and I feel that this imbalance still remains.

Yes, the incumbent was non elected but I also feel that he is the fall guy for Tony Blairs 'crest of a wave' politicking, leaving the flotsam and jetsum for others to wade through.  I remain undecided as to whether its better to leap to an alternate or keep the devil we currently know but not neccessarily love....

I think he may well give the current system a gutting in order to keep his own status intact, as far as possible... 

There can be merit in that notion H21, but irrespective of how capable the Prime Minister is considered to be on economic matters - and a few would dispute that- he fails miserably as a national leader.

Leadership is much more than micro-management and I'm afraid that his parochial nature seems to prevent that flair and charisma, in the real and deep sense - not in the Blair sense - inspiring those he seeks to lead

[albitz]

will Darling do to him what Howe did to Thatcher? :-/


i.e.quietly sever his jugular.

[HI2DVY]

Darling is purely Browns puppet. He used to have a job on the Edinburgh council and he was cr@p at that too!

[Lizzie_Zoom]

My tuppenceworth, without delving too deeply into the historics of the thing, is that we now reap what has been sown, irrespective of the political persuasion of those (currently and previously) in power who created the legislation/laws that allowed the adaptation of the expenses guidelines.

Political situations are almost invariably perceived as the fault of the currently governing party, irrespective of the actual parentage of the legislation.

For years, there was no counter to Margaret Thatcher (Dennis Foote, anyone??) and I feel that this imbalance still remains.

Yes, the incumbent was non elected but I also feel that he is the fall guy for Tony Blairs 'crest of a wave' politicking, leaving the flotsam and jetsum for others to wade through.  I remain undecided as to whether its better to leap to an alternate or keep the devil we currently know but not neccessarily love....

I think he may well give the current system a gutting in order to keep his own status intact, as far as possible... 

There can be merit in that notion H21, but irrespective of how capable the Prime Minister is considered to be on economic matters - and a few would dispute that- he fails miserably as a national leader.

Leadership is much more than micro-management and I'm afraid that his parochial nature seems to prevent that flair and charisma, in the real and deep sense - not in the Blair sense - inspiring those he seeks to lead

I agree with most of what you say Zulu, but for eleven years as Chancellor he over spent, over borrowed and sold at the lowest prices a huge chunck of Great Britain's gold reserves, so when the crisis hit he had ensured nothing was left in the cupboard for the rainy days!  Now this country has huge, huge debts.

Conclusion: he was a useless Chancellor as well!