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[TheBoy]

Surely it should go on the ISP? Why should little old granny have to pay for it, probably ain't got a 'puter.

Sorry, but if you chose to live in the back end of nowhere, thats your choice. Accept your 512k speeds. Or move.

There are quite a few parts of the country that don't have broadband, and they ain't the back of beyond either.

If anybody needs the kick up the backside, it should be BT.

Why BT? Why not Virgin? Tiscali? Your beloved Be/O2?

None of them will do it becuase its commercial suicide!

BT have been better than most in getting decent speed broadband to many, but at the end of the day, its a private company who's out to make money for its shareholders.

[Pace]

Surely it should go on the ISP? Why should little old granny have to pay for it, probably ain't got a 'puter.

Sorry, but if you chose to live in the back end of nowhere, thats your choice. Accept your 512k speeds. Or move.

There are quite a few parts of the country that don't have broadband, and they ain't the back of beyond either.

If anybody needs the kick up the backside, it should be BT.

exactly!!!

[KillerWatt]

Surely it should go on the ISP? Why should little old granny have to pay for it, probably ain't got a 'puter.

Sorry, but if you chose to live in the back end of nowhere, thats your choice. Accept your 512k speeds. Or move.

There are quite a few parts of the country that don't have broadband, and they ain't the back of beyond either.

If anybody needs the kick up the backside, it should be BT.

Well they are not going to upgrade the exchange/concentrator/mux unless the buisness case is present to support it now are they!

If the demand isn't there, then I can sympathise with not doing the upgrade because the majority obviously don't want it.
But to try & pass the cost on to me for something that isn't wanted in the first place, and then rent out the same crap bit of copper (twice over) thats been in the ground for the last 50 years....they can find another muppet for that.

[Marks DTM Calib]

I think some people are in a dream world....BT is a buisness, its there to make a profit for its share holders and every where there is a profit to be made they will upgrade the service.

No profit to be made and forget it.

Thats the ways of the capitalist world I am afraid

[Marks DTM Calib]

Surely it should go on the ISP? Why should little old granny have to pay for it, probably ain't got a 'puter.

Sorry, but if you chose to live in the back end of nowhere, thats your choice. Accept your 512k speeds. Or move.

There are quite a few parts of the country that don't have broadband, and they ain't the back of beyond either.

If anybody needs the kick up the backside, it should be BT.

Well they are not going to upgrade the exchange/concentrator/mux unless the buisness case is present to support it now are they!

If the demand isn't there, then I can sympathise with not doing the upgrade because the majority obviously don't want it.
But to try & pass the cost on to me for something that isn't wanted in the first place, and then rent out the same crap bit of copper (twice over) thats been in the ground for the last 50 years....they can find another muppet for that.

There not passing the cost on, the government has decided to put a policy in place to get broadband to all and in order to do that they need to subsidise the installation in order to get the buisness cases viable.

And that old copper (its well be steel actually) is not a one off fixed install cost, its has a maintenance over head and the major cost of which sits at the exchange end

[TheBoy]

Surely it should go on the ISP? Why should little old granny have to pay for it, probably ain't got a 'puter.

Sorry, but if you chose to live in the back end of nowhere, thats your choice. Accept your 512k speeds. Or move.

There are quite a few parts of the country that don't have broadband, and they ain't the back of beyond either.

If anybody needs the kick up the backside, it should be BT.

Well they are not going to upgrade the exchange/concentrator/mux unless the buisness case is present to support it now are they!

If the demand isn't there, then I can sympathise with not doing the upgrade because the majority obviously don't want it.
But to try & pass the cost on to me for something that isn't wanted in the first place, and then rent out the same crap bit of copper (twice over) thats been in the ground for the last 50 years....they can find another muppet for that.

Eh? at what point are they selling you the same physical line twice?

[KillerWatt]

Surely it should go on the ISP? Why should little old granny have to pay for it, probably ain't got a 'puter.

Sorry, but if you chose to live in the back end of nowhere, thats your choice. Accept your 512k speeds. Or move.

There are quite a few parts of the country that don't have broadband, and they ain't the back of beyond either.

If anybody needs the kick up the backside, it should be BT.

Why BT? Why not Virgin? Tiscali? Your beloved Be/O2?

First off J, NO-ONE is "beloved".
I don't do loyalty or any other s*it, you either deliver the goods (in which case I pay), or you fail and you f*ckoff.

Virgin failed when they changed the rules, they got f*cked off.
Be/O2 are delivering what they say....so they stay until such times they get it wrong.

As for the others, none of them (except VM) have total control over where the feed ends up.....that's why they ain't being held accountable for the cost.

[TheBoy]

Surely it should go on the ISP? Why should little old granny have to pay for it, probably ain't got a 'puter.

Sorry, but if you chose to live in the back end of nowhere, thats your choice. Accept your 512k speeds. Or move.

There are quite a few parts of the country that don't have broadband, and they ain't the back of beyond either.

If anybody needs the kick up the backside, it should be BT.

Why BT? Why not Virgin? Tiscali? Your beloved Be/O2?

First off J, NO-ONE is "beloved".
I don't do loyalty or any other s*it, you either deliver the goods (in which case I pay), or you fail and you f*ckoff.

Virgin failed when they changed the rules, they got f*cked off.
Be/O2 are delivering what they say....so they stay until such times they get it wrong.

As for the others, none of them (except VM) have total control over where the feed ends up.....that's why they ain't being held accountable for the cost.

They are wholesale LLU providers, and they chose only to put DSLAMs in where they will make money. No different to BT Wholesale  :-/

[Marks DTM Calib]

I also know that some of the governemnt 'levy' will be used to roll out 3G services further to get broadband support....but then they dont understand how crap 3G is at braodband once you get a few users on it!

And VM have very little self owned Uk network.....just a bit of cable based install

[TheBoy]

I also know that some of the governemnt 'levy' will be used to roll out 3G services further to get broadband support....but then they dont understand how crap 3G is at braodband once you get a few users on it!

And VM have very little self owned Uk network.....just a bit of cable based install

I can confirm, though better than GPRS, even 3.5G (or whatever its called now) is pretty crap most of the time during the day.

[Marks DTM Calib]

I also know that some of the governemnt 'levy' will be used to roll out 3G services further to get broadband support....but then they dont understand how crap 3G is at braodband once you get a few users on it!

And VM have very little self owned Uk network.....just a bit of cable based install

I can confirm, though better than GPRS, even 3.5G (or whatever its called now) is pretty crap most of the time during the day.

Yep, '3.5G' is only some enhanced coding and fec!

[TheBoy]

I also know that some of the governemnt 'levy' will be used to roll out 3G services further to get broadband support....but then they dont understand how crap 3G is at braodband once you get a few users on it!

And VM have very little self owned Uk network.....just a bit of cable based install

a few days ago, WiMax started creeping back out of the woodwork again.  I guess we got an early view of the report, so maybe that may be utilised as well.

[iggy21uk]

On each invoice 10p Labour Government broadband tax, inc vat tax.

[redelitev6]

  this will be another con like road tax,only a tiny percentage will go to upgrading the network

[TheBoy]

this will be another con like road tax,only a tiny percentage will go to upgrading the network

I think everyone already knows that