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[tigers_gonads]

i bought my tickets in advance and went down to see it yesterday 

just heard the tail end of an anouncement that said something about the c.a.a. wanted some sort of test to be carried out on aircraft before it displayed again 

apparently the test could cause some sort of damage the the airframe so they are going to carry it out on another aircraft that is about to be scrapped and dismantaled for bits first 

in other words ........... it is a typical c.a.a. thingy up 

im ex raf, and haven't been to a airshow for years so i thought i'd take the plunge 

to be honest, it was crap 

no harrier, tornado or any other decent fast jet display.

typhoon was ok but did'nt do anything differant to a lightning 25 years ago.
dead sparrows was great and a few private displays was ok but that was it !!

then again, im supprised we have any airforce left the way this goverment keep cutting back 

and it cost me £4:50 for a f****ng cheese burger  ..................................................................................................................................................................end of rant 

[tigers_gonads]

It needs a certificate for each show. Applied for in advance   

Which is wrong.

It needs a permit to fly, this ran out at the end of June and renewal is dependent on other activities being completed (outside of the TVOC groups control).

In a nut shell, they are chopping up XM603 to get detailed info on an aged vulcans airframe (it cant be done to 558 as obviously it would destroy it) and they are a little behind schedule.
It should be sorted within days

You then need a display permit which is required for each displaying pilot and has to be renewed annually, this has already been done.

Hence why its been displaying upto the 3rd of July!

woops, i must learn to read the full thred before i post   

[wakeyomega]

I went yesterday also, and was really disappointed not to see the Vulcan, and agree that most of the rest of the show was a bit passive if you like roaring thunder, however, the three highlights for me were 1. Chinook display - brilliant, he even did a handbrake turn at our end of the runway! 2. The Typhoon (I agree its just like a lightning, and I loved them too). 3. The RAF Regiment doing the 'beating the retreat' at 7:00 pm - given the tragedy of the two Tornado crew on Thursday this was very Poignant.
Pat

[tigers_gonads]

I went yesterday also, and was really disappointed not to see the Vulcan, and agree that most of the rest of the show was a bit passive if you like roaring thunder, however, the three highlights for me were 1. Chinook display - brilliant, he even did a handbrake turn at our end of the runway! 2. The Typhoon (I agree its just like a lightning, and I loved them too). 3. The RAF Regiment doing the 'beating the retreat' at 7:00 pm - given the tragedy of the two Tornado crew on Thursday this was very Poignant.
Pat

 chinook....    agree on that one .  got a lift in the back of one when i was in germany.  somebody dared me to sit on the tailgate ramp looking backwards for the trip. ( strapped too each side )   
little did i know that one of the lads had had a word with the pilot who then spent the next 40 mins flying round every tree and bush he could find on the way home at about 50 feet  8-) 8-)
if i could have walked properly, i'd have give him a dry slap 


i was lightning crazy as a kid.
finished trade training on my 18th bithday and got posted stright to binbrook      kid in sweet shop doesn't even come close too that feeling 


tornado crew ............ twice, i went walking round muddy fields with a bin liner after aircrew never managed / got the chance to eject in time ............ a feeling you just can't put into words 

rip lads

[HolyCount]

At East Kirkby, a Lanc taxies onto the runway and sits running its engines. It then goes up to speed. The ground shakes and you are stood maybe 10m from the wing tips.

Deafening 

That was an 'empty' Lanc, so just imagine the noise when fully loaded and fueled aircraft en mass, each carrying a maximum bomb load of 22,000lbs, where taken up to full power and fought for flight as they travelled down the runway! 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)

Slightly off topic -- but dad's old Lanc:

[Lizzie_Zoom]

At East Kirkby, a Lanc taxies onto the runway and sits running its engines. It then goes up to speed. The ground shakes and you are stood maybe 10m from the wing tips.

Deafening 

That was an 'empty' Lanc, so just imagine the noise when fully loaded and fueled aircraft en mass, each carrying a maximum bomb load of 22,000lbs, where taken up to full power and fought for flight as they travelled down the runway! 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)

Slightly off topic -- but dad's old Lanc:

A great picture of a glimpse of the reality, and you must feel very proud of your father HC 8-) 8-) 8-)

What can I say than very brave men all round, with 44,000 thousand killed, and 7,122 bomber aircraft lost from 1942-45 under the command of Arthur 'Bomber' Harris

Those men deserved a  campaign medal like no others, and for the few still alive they still do!

[HolyCount]

At East Kirkby, a Lanc taxies onto the runway and sits running its engines. It then goes up to speed. The ground shakes and you are stood maybe 10m from the wing tips.

Deafening 

That was an 'empty' Lanc, so just imagine the noise when fully loaded and fueled aircraft en mass, each carrying a maximum bomb load of 22,000lbs, where taken up to full power and fought for flight as they travelled down the runway! 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)

Slightly off topic -- but dad's old Lanc:

A great picture of a glimpse of the reality, and you must feel very proud of your father HC 8-) 8-) 8-)

What can I say than very brave men all round, with 44,000 thousand killed, and 7,122 bomber aircraft lost from 1942-45 under the command of Arthur 'Bomber' Harris

Those men deserved a  campaign medal like no others, and for the few still alive they still do!

I definitely do!  (Even if, privately, he can be a PITA at times!!    )  He has some amazing (and amusing) stories to tell -- like the time they were flying directly beneath a German bomber and "caught" a bomb in the fuselage!  By all accounts landing was a trifle fraught -- but what a souvenir !!!

That painting is called "Heading Home" and it's write up includes this about dad:

Sergeant Idris 'Taff' Arndell

Volunteered for aircrew at age 17 and was called up just before his eighteenth birthday for Wireless Operator and air gunnery training.  Later joined No.101 Squadron serving with Rusty Waughman and sharing in at least two near fatal mid-air incidents.  Idris went on to fly with Wg Cdr Alexander on the last of the Battle of Berlin missions, completing his tour on 4th June 1944.  He later returned to operational duties, including the Manna relief drops and the last raid over Bertesgarten.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

At East Kirkby, a Lanc taxies onto the runway and sits running its engines. It then goes up to speed. The ground shakes and you are stood maybe 10m from the wing tips.

Deafening 

That was an 'empty' Lanc, so just imagine the noise when fully loaded and fueled aircraft en mass, each carrying a maximum bomb load of 22,000lbs, where taken up to full power and fought for flight as they travelled down the runway! 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)

Slightly off topic -- but dad's old Lanc:

A great picture of a glimpse of the reality, and you must feel very proud of your father HC 8-) 8-) 8-)

What can I say than very brave men all round, with 44,000 thousand killed, and 7,122 bomber aircraft lost from 1942-45 under the command of Arthur 'Bomber' Harris

Those men deserved a  campaign medal like no others, and for the few still alive they still do!

I definitely do!  (Even if, privately, he can be a PITA at times!!    )  He has some amazing (and amusing) stories to tell -- like the time they were flying directly beneath a German bomber and "caught" a bomb in the fuselage!  By all accounts landing was a trifle fraught -- but what a souvenir !!!

That painting is called "Heading Home" and it's write up includes this about dad:

Sergeant Idris 'Taff' Arndell

Volunteered for aircrew at age 17 and was called up just before his eighteenth birthday for Wireless Operator and air gunnery training.  Later joined No.101 Squadron serving with Rusty Waughman and sharing in at least two near fatal mid-air incidents.  Idris went on to fly with Wg Cdr Alexander on the last of the Battle of Berlin missions, completing his tour on 4th June 1944.  He later returned to operational duties, including the Manna relief drops and the last raid over Bertesgarten.

Thanks HC, that is a wonderful historic record 8-) 8-)  I hope, like my father, he has written down all the events that took place during his years of service.  It makes fabulous reading for the grandchildren, those of us who are students of History, and a great record for future generations.

In my teens I got to know a friend of my father's who had been a tail gunner in a Lanc for many missions, and unlike so many of his profession in that position in a bomber, a true 'tail end Charlie', he survived to tell his tale.

My, how first hand witness accounts like his make for future understanding of what it was like flying out on a mission with every chance you would not return!  Kind of focuses the mind on the real value of life! 8-) 8-) 8-)

[HolyCount]

Thought you'd like the little bit of history (the family are still making it, even now. I have yet to make my mark!!).

On the days of their ops the crew had real eggs for breakfast -- powdered on other days !!!!

[tigers_gonads]

nothing but respect for the lads who flew in that era.

used to start the saturday afternoon / night sesions in the british legion in cleethorpes during my time at binbrook in the 80's ( cheap bar  )

some of the storys we were told would make the hairs stand up on your neck.  when you think that most of these men was nothing more then boys at the time. 

never fail to pop into town on rememberance sunday.
in hull, there is always a old airman who collects for the royal british legion outside the station.

i must admit that i have never put any money in the bucket ( heard a few storys about how much of the money goes to the needy  ) but in memory of my old grandad, ( born 11 /11 ) i always have half a bottle of whiskey for him 

scares the sh*t out of me because one day he won't be there 

[Kevin Wood]

Hmm.

Expected Date
of Processing:       14/07/2009

http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?catid=60&pagetype=65&appid=1&mode=detail&aircrafttype=vulcan&dataindex=4

Doubt I'll see it at Lasham this Saturday then.

They would do well to shift all the paperwork tasks for that aircraft away from the middle of the display season. 

Kevin

[Marks DTM Calib]

And yet again the reality!

Following the announcement on Saturday that Vulcan XH558 would be unable to display at the RAF Waddington Airshow last weekend due to issues with the renewal of the aircraft’s annual Permit to Fly, the Vulcan to the Sky Trust (VTST) is doing all it can to ensure that XH558 returns to flight as soon as possible.

 Robert Pleming, VTST Chief Executive: “On behalf of the Vulcan to the Sky Trust, I would like to apologise unreservedly for the huge disappointment felt by very many people, some of whom had traveled great distances, at the absence of the Vulcan from the flying display. The events leading to the cancellation of the Vulcan’s displays are deeply regrettable, and we will do everything we can to prevent this happening again at Waddington.”

 Vulcan XH558 flies as a civilian aircraft, registration G-VLCN, under Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) regulations governing the operation of ex-military aircraft. The approved Engineering Authority for XH558 is Marshall of Cambridge Aerospace, which is responsible for all aspects of its airworthiness, including the application for the renewal of the Permit to Fly, due on 3rd July.

 Following the success of the Pledge campaign in March, VTST contracted with Marshall Aerospace (MA) for the work needed to renew the aircraft’s Permit, including the annual service, and the test flight. However, during the original Major Service, a number of structural inspections were deferred and it was agreed to carry these out on BAE Systems-owned Vulcan XM603 at Woodford. The CAA required these inspections to be completed by the time of renewal of the Permit.

 It has not proved possible to carry out these inspections and following a meeting with CAA, MA agreed to prepare a justification for a further extension to the inspections. In the week prior to the expiry of the existing permit, MA remained confident that the Permit revalidation would be obtained in time, to the extent that a joint decision was made to launch XH558 from RAF Brize Norton on Thursday 2nd July to fly to RAF Waddington for the Airshow Press Preview.

Unfortunately, on  Friday 3rd July, MA were informed by the CAA that the justification for deferring the inspections was inadequate and that the CAA would require a much more detailed explanation before the Permit would be renewed. This report would also need to be underwritten by BAE Systems. (This report does not need to contain the results of the inspections, only the reasons for them, how they would be carried out or alternatively mitigated. There is no question that XH558 is in any way structurally unsafe.)

 The level of detail required by CAA and the need for endorsement by BAE Systems meant that this could not be provided without significant additional work. Despite discussions between MA, the CAA and BAE Systems that ran on late into Friday evening and the following morning, there was no mechanism found that could have allowed the Vulcan to display legally over the weekend. Since then, MA have had a team working to generate and gain approval of the required report, ready for review by BAE Systems and submission to the CAA.

 VTST does not yet have a firm date from CAA on when the Vulcan will be allowed to fly again, but it has been led to believe that the delay will be days rather than any longer.

 XH558 remains fully serviceable at RAF Waddington.

 A further update will be issued when more is known.

 For more information on this Press Release, please contact:

 VTST - Richard Clarke:

[webby23]

What a gaff honestly.....as mentioned before they should rearrange things like this to be done in the off season.....

I think they are starting to lose many fans already.....

 

[Marks DTM Calib]

What a gaff honestly.....as mentioned before they should rearrange things like this to be done in the off season.....

I think they are starting to lose many fans already.....

 

They couldn't, they had no funding!

[webby23]

What a gaff honestly.....as mentioned before they should rearrange things like this to be done in the off season.....

I think they are starting to lose many fans already.....

 

They couldn't, they had no funding!

Its a total shambles Mark, we wanted so much to see her at a air show display (saw a 30 min practice display before Waddo last yr) but I honestly wouldnt be able to rely on it turning up and performing at any event......its no-show rate must be astonishing.....

Hope they get it all sorted and move forward having learnt that you cant keep disappointing your fans and expect them to still financially support you......