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[Lizzie_Zoom]

I have been watching my thread expand just like the universe, and it has been fascinating to read the various observations which none of us can prove or disprove, other that to say our section of the 'universe' is still travelling outwards from the big bang of 13.7 - 14 billion years ago. 

Thomas Hobbes (1588 - 1679) described this action, without the fuller scientific knowledge we have now, as "matter in motion", forever travelling through the universe until deflected by human actions on earth.

However just consider that everything in this universe is formed from atoms, and each atom is 99.9% nothing, empty, zilch!!  Therefore, whatever we think the universe is, containing those stars and planets mentioned in that wonderful piece of film in my opening post, it IS 99.9% NOTHING!!!!!!  8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)

The scale of this though is beyond human comprehension given our view of scale and dimension.  But, what if there is some supreme being, I believe it is God, who has this globe on his/her table..........the globe containing the whole universe...................all in tiny scale!!

Food for thought??

[Dishevelled Den]

I have been watching my thread expand just like the universe, and it has been fascinating to read the various observations which none of us can prove or disprove, other that to say our section of the 'universe' is still travelling outwards from the big bang of 13.7 - 14 billion years ago. 

Thomas Hobbes (1588 - 1679) described this action, without the fuller scientific knowledge we have now, as "matter in motion", forever travelling through the universe until deflected by human actions on earth.

However just consider that everything in this universe is formed from atoms, and each atom is 99.9% nothing, empty, zilch!!  Therefore, whatever we think the universe is, containing those stars and planets mentioned in that wonderful piece of film in my opening post, it IS 99.9% NOTHING!!!!!!  8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)

...hence the insignificance of it all? :-/ :-/

[Lizzie_Zoom]

I have been watching my thread expand just like the universe, and it has been fascinating to read the various observations which none of us can prove or disprove, other that to say our section of the 'universe' is still travelling outwards from the big bang of 13.7 - 14 billion years ago. 

Thomas Hobbes (1588 - 1679) described this action, without the fuller scientific knowledge we have now, as "matter in motion", forever travelling through the universe until deflected by human actions on earth.

However just consider that everything in this universe is formed from atoms, and each atom is 99.9% nothing, empty, zilch!!  Therefore, whatever we think the universe is, containing those stars and planets mentioned in that wonderful piece of film in my opening post, it IS 99.9% NOTHING!!!!!!  8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)

...hence the insignificance of it all? :-/ :-/

EXACTLY my point Zulu!  We are insignificant in the scheme and scale of the universe, but in the dimension of our creator we are very much the focus.  We must stop though trying to evalute our existance in terms of human time, distance, scale and dimensions.  To the rest of the universe they do not mean anything at all!! 8-) 8-) 8-)


Just think to a microbe the earth is its universe and is never ending!!

[HolyCount]

could we actually be a colony in soome gigantic petri-dissh somewhere ------ waiting for a trip to the autoclave  

Or -- one of my favourite ponderings --- if you equate the stars, moons and planets, etcetera, to the atoms, electrons, neutrons et al we could be a molecule, or some such, hidden away in another gigantic reality. Maybe in the depths of some giants desk.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

could we actually be a colony in soome gigantic petri-dissh somewhere ------ waiting for a trip to the autoclave  

Or -- one of my favourite ponderings --- if you equate the stars, moons and planets, etcetera, to the atoms, electrons, neutrons et al we could be a molecule, or some such, hidden away in another gigantic reality. Maybe in the depths of some giants desk.

Or HC, getting really deep now, does everything around us represent some gigantic collective 'reality', that only exists due to our brains telling us it does??

Quantum physics certainly suggests this could be so, with the infamous atom being at the centre of the puzzle, being capable of some pretty fantastic properties that defy all logic and laws of physics!!

[HolyCount]

could we actually be a colony in soome gigantic petri-dissh somewhere ------ waiting for a trip to the autoclave  

Or -- one of my favourite ponderings --- if you equate the stars, moons and planets, etcetera, to the atoms, electrons, neutrons et al we could be a molecule, or some such, hidden away in another gigantic reality. Maybe in the depths of some giants desk.

Or HC, getting really deep now, does everything around us represent some gigantic collective 'reality', that only exists due to our brains telling us it does??

Quantum physics certainly suggests this could be so, with the infamous atom being at the centre of the puzzle, being capable of some pretty fantastic properties that defy all logic and laws of physics!!

That goes on to pose the question of what "reality" actually is .... for instance .... during the apparent daylight hours, when we consider ourselves awake, are we actually in a dream like reality and our physical bodies ( if such there are) are really asleep somewhere. Then ... when we "sleeep" in the waking reality, are we actually waking into the dream reality 

That, however, is best discussed over several bottles of wine ..........

[Brick Tamland]

could we actually be a colony in soome gigantic petri-dissh somewhere ------ waiting for a trip to the autoclave  

Or -- one of my favourite ponderings --- if you equate the stars, moons and planets, etcetera, to the atoms, electrons, neutrons et al we could be a molecule, or some such, hidden away in another gigantic reality. Maybe in the depths of some giants desk.

Or HC, getting really deep now, does everything around us represent some gigantic collective 'reality', that only exists due to our brains telling us it does??

Quantum physics certainly suggests this could be so, with the infamous atom being at the centre of the puzzle, being capable of some pretty fantastic properties that defy all logic and laws of physics!!

That goes on to pose the question of what "reality" actually is .... for instance .... during the apparent daylight hours, when we consider ourselves awake, are we actually in a dream like reality and our physical bodies ( if such there are) are really asleep somewhere. Then ... when we "sleeep" in the waking reality, are we actually waking into the dream reality 

That, however, is best discussed over several bottles of wine ..........

There was a film about that. I think it was called "The Matrix"

[HolyCount]

could we actually be a colony in soome gigantic petri-dissh somewhere ------ waiting for a trip to the autoclave  

Or -- one of my favourite ponderings --- if you equate the stars, moons and planets, etcetera, to the atoms, electrons, neutrons et al we could be a molecule, or some such, hidden away in another gigantic reality. Maybe in the depths of some giants desk.

Or HC, getting really deep now, does everything around us represent some gigantic collective 'reality', that only exists due to our brains telling us it does??

Quantum physics certainly suggests this could be so, with the infamous atom being at the centre of the puzzle, being capable of some pretty fantastic properties that defy all logic and laws of physics!!

That goes on to pose the question of what "reality" actually is .... for instance .... during the apparent daylight hours, when we consider ourselves awake, are we actually in a dream like reality and our physical bodies ( if such there are) are really asleep somewhere. Then ... when we "sleeep" in the waking reality, are we actually waking into the dream reality 

That, however, is best discussed over several bottles of wine ..........

There was a film about that. I think it was called "The Matrix"

Was THAT what it was alll about ?  TBH never paid attention all the way through !!!!

[Lizzie_Zoom]

could we actually be a colony in soome gigantic petri-dissh somewhere ------ waiting for a trip to the autoclave  

Or -- one of my favourite ponderings --- if you equate the stars, moons and planets, etcetera, to the atoms, electrons, neutrons et al we could be a molecule, or some such, hidden away in another gigantic reality. Maybe in the depths of some giants desk.

Or HC, getting really deep now, does everything around us represent some gigantic collective 'reality', that only exists due to our brains telling us it does??

Quantum physics certainly suggests this could be so, with the infamous atom being at the centre of the puzzle, being capable of some pretty fantastic properties that defy all logic and laws of physics!!

That goes on to pose the question of what "reality" actually is .... for instance .... during the apparent daylight hours, when we consider ourselves awake, are we actually in a dream like reality and our physical bodies ( if such there are) are really asleep somewhere. Then ... when we "sleeep" in the waking reality, are we actually waking into the dream reality 

That, however, is best discussed over several bottles of wine ..........

There was a film about that. I think it was called "The Matrix"

Was THAT what it was alll about ?  TBH never paid attention all the way through !!!!

That film was about a computer generated reality.  It is a different and 'smaller' theory than the Quantum Enigma, that is based on the nature of atoms throughout whatever the universe is. :-/ :-/ :-/

Now actually HC you are right, but it does need a few dozen bottles of wine and much talk to begin to grasp the concept, otherwise you can go mad just thinking about it!!

[HolyCount]

could we actually be a colony in soome gigantic petri-dissh somewhere ------ waiting for a trip to the autoclave  

Or -- one of my favourite ponderings --- if you equate the stars, moons and planets, etcetera, to the atoms, electrons, neutrons et al we could be a molecule, or some such, hidden away in another gigantic reality. Maybe in the depths of some giants desk.

Or HC, getting really deep now, does everything around us represent some gigantic collective 'reality', that only exists due to our brains telling us it does??

Quantum physics certainly suggests this could be so, with the infamous atom being at the centre of the puzzle, being capable of some pretty fantastic properties that defy all logic and laws of physics!!

That goes on to pose the question of what "reality" actually is .... for instance .... during the apparent daylight hours, when we consider ourselves awake, are we actually in a dream like reality and our physical bodies ( if such there are) are really asleep somewhere. Then ... when we "sleeep" in the waking reality, are we actually waking into the dream reality 

That, however, is best discussed over several bottles of wine ..........

There was a film about that. I think it was called "The Matrix"

Was THAT what it was alll about ?  TBH never paid attention all the way through !!!!

That film was about a computer generated reality.  It is a different and 'smaller' theory than the Quantum Enigma, that is based on the nature of atoms throughout whatever the universe is. :-/ :-/ :-/

Now actually HC you are right, but it does need a few dozen bottles of wine and much talk to begin to grasp the concept, otherwise you can go mad just thinking about it!!

Too late pour moi, methinks 

[Lizzie_Zoom]

could we actually be a colony in soome gigantic petri-dissh somewhere ------ waiting for a trip to the autoclave  

Or -- one of my favourite ponderings --- if you equate the stars, moons and planets, etcetera, to the atoms, electrons, neutrons et al we could be a molecule, or some such, hidden away in another gigantic reality. Maybe in the depths of some giants desk.

Or HC, getting really deep now, does everything around us represent some gigantic collective 'reality', that only exists due to our brains telling us it does??

Quantum physics certainly suggests this could be so, with the infamous atom being at the centre of the puzzle, being capable of some pretty fantastic properties that defy all logic and laws of physics!!

That goes on to pose the question of what "reality" actually is .... for instance .... during the apparent daylight hours, when we consider ourselves awake, are we actually in a dream like reality and our physical bodies ( if such there are) are really asleep somewhere. Then ... when we "sleeep" in the waking reality, are we actually waking into the dream reality 

That, however, is best discussed over several bottles of wine ..........

There was a film about that. I think it was called "The Matrix"

Was THAT what it was alll about ?  TBH never paid attention all the way through !!!!

That film was about a computer generated reality.  It is a different and 'smaller' theory than the Quantum Enigma, that is based on the nature of atoms throughout whatever the universe is. :-/ :-/ :-/

Now actually HC you are right, but it does need a few dozen bottles of wine and much talk to begin to grasp the concept, otherwise you can go mad just thinking about it!!

Too late pour moi, methinks 

In that case get those bottles of wine and the glasses out, I'll be around soon HC!!!!

[Dishevelled Den]

could we actually be a colony in soome gigantic petri-dissh somewhere ------ waiting for a trip to the autoclave  

Or -- one of my favourite ponderings --- if you equate the stars, moons and planets, etcetera, to the atoms, electrons, neutrons et al we could be a molecule, or some such, hidden away in another gigantic reality. Maybe in the depths of some giants desk.

Or HC, getting really deep now, does everything around us represent some gigantic collective 'reality', that only exists due to our brains telling us it does??

Quantum physics certainly suggests this could be so, with the infamous atom being at the centre of the puzzle, being capable of some pretty fantastic properties that defy all logic and laws of physics!!

That goes on to pose the question of what "reality" actually is .... for instance .... during the apparent daylight hours, when we consider ourselves awake, are we actually in a dream like reality and our physical bodies ( if such there are) are really asleep somewhere. Then ... when we "sleeep" in the waking reality, are we actually waking into the dream reality 

That, however, is best discussed over several bottles of wine ..........

There was a film about that. I think it was called "The Matrix"

Was THAT what it was alll about ?  TBH never paid attention all the way through !!!!

That film was about a computer generated reality.  It is a different and 'smaller' theory than the Quantum Enigma, that is based on the nature of atoms throughout whatever the universe is. :-/ :-/ :-/

Now actually HC you are right, but it does need a few dozen bottles of wine and much talk to begin to grasp the concept, otherwise you can go mad just thinking about it!!

Too late pour moi, methinks 

...the great thing about debating reality or the lack thereof is that it's never too late, as time is a notional concept within that reality IMHO

[Lizzie_Zoom]

could we actually be a colony in soome gigantic petri-dissh somewhere ------ waiting for a trip to the autoclave  

Or -- one of my favourite ponderings --- if you equate the stars, moons and planets, etcetera, to the atoms, electrons, neutrons et al we could be a molecule, or some such, hidden away in another gigantic reality. Maybe in the depths of some giants desk.

Or HC, getting really deep now, does everything around us represent some gigantic collective 'reality', that only exists due to our brains telling us it does??

Quantum physics certainly suggests this could be so, with the infamous atom being at the centre of the puzzle, being capable of some pretty fantastic properties that defy all logic and laws of physics!!

That goes on to pose the question of what "reality" actually is .... for instance .... during the apparent daylight hours, when we consider ourselves awake, are we actually in a dream like reality and our physical bodies ( if such there are) are really asleep somewhere. Then ... when we "sleeep" in the waking reality, are we actually waking into the dream reality 

That, however, is best discussed over several bottles of wine ..........

There was a film about that. I think it was called "The Matrix"

Was THAT what it was alll about ?  TBH never paid attention all the way through !!!!

That film was about a computer generated reality.  It is a different and 'smaller' theory than the Quantum Enigma, that is based on the nature of atoms throughout whatever the universe is. :-/ :-/ :-/

Now actually HC you are right, but it does need a few dozen bottles of wine and much talk to begin to grasp the concept, otherwise you can go mad just thinking about it!!

Too late pour moi, methinks 

...the great thing about debating reality or the lack thereof is that it's never too late, as time is a notional concept within that reality IMHO

............and may have passed already before we have experienced it in this perceived dimension, with all outcomes constructed within the initial creation of our known universe 13.7 billion years ago.

[HolyCount]

This is getting worse than a Star Trek time portal paradox 

[Lizzie_Zoom]

This is getting worse than a Star Trek time portal paradox 

Oh yes, good old Star Trek has a lot to answer for!!

It certainly introduced the young me to the theories of parallel universes, and them being either positve or negative 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)