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[Gubz]

I use debian.

Download a net install image http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ & burn it to a cd. Boot the offending PC with the cd & follow the instructions. You might need to do some reading


Personally I started with dos, then windows 1, 2, 3, 98 & XP. With every iteration from Microsoft I have come across situations where the system does mysterious things but you can't fix it because the code is secret. With Debian there is always a solution (but you may need to get your hands dirty to fix it).

Ubuntu & Knoppix are based on Debian. Knoppix is good if you want to boot from a cd without making any changes to an existing pc. You can use a Knoppix cd to boot an unbootable windows pc to investigate & fix the problem. http://www.knoppix.org/

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i tried using it but couldn't work out how to start downloading it has it just showed me files on more files :-/

[TheBoy]

I use debian.

Download a net install image http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ & burn it to a cd. Boot the offending PC with the cd & follow the instructions. You might need to do some reading


Personally I started with dos, then windows 1, 2, 3, 98 & XP. With every iteration from Microsoft I have come across situations where the system does mysterious things but you can't fix it because the code is secret. With Debian there is always a solution (but you may need to get your hands dirty to fix it).

Ubuntu & Knoppix are based on Debian. Knoppix is good if you want to boot from a cd without making any changes to an existing pc. You can use a Knoppix cd to boot an unbootable windows pc to investigate & fix the problem. http://www.knoppix.org/

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i tried using it but couldn't work out how to start downloading it has it just showed me files on more files :-/

Without meaning to sound rude, if that is the case, you may well be better off sticking to Windows 

To be honest, unless you have specific needs, 99.9% of people are better off sticking to a Windows PC anyway

[Gubz]

we did has i got bored of lookin 

[dippydave]

I had a conversation with a PC tech last week, while he uncorrupted my bios and updated stuff, about how Windows is engineered to slow up. Mostly to make us buy the new version. He seemed to like ubunt and apple stuff a lot more as they 'dont go wrong'.

He said stuff like:
'The windows process of moving data constantly, which may help the lifespan of a hard drive, clogs up log files and swap files' and a whole host of things i was not really understanding. He said 'de-fragging can just cause confusion as then the pc is looking in the wrong place for data'.

'Some 6 year old machines which used to take 30 seconds to boot now take 15 minutes. They've only been used for one program, never been updated or connected to anything that could be malicious. Oh were defragged regularly until it was discovered it wasn't helping. Left to themselves they've stuck at the 15 min boot up for two years'

I was very confused! he reckons windows 7 isn't that great either, better than vista but nothings as good as '98 

think i'll stick with xp!

[Kevin Wood]

I had a conversation with a PC tech last week, while he uncorrupted my bios and updated stuff, about how Windows is engineered to slow up. Mostly to make us buy the new version. He seemed to like ubunt and apple stuff a lot more as they 'dont go wrong'.

He said stuff like:
'The windows process of moving data constantly, which may help the lifespan of a hard drive, clogs up log files and swap files' and a whole host of things i was not really understanding. He said 'de-fragging can just cause confusion as then the pc is looking in the wrong place for data'.

'Some 6 year old machines which used to take 30 seconds to boot now take 15 minutes. They've only been used for one program, never been updated or connected to anything that could be malicious. Oh were defragged regularly until it was discovered it wasn't helping. Left to themselves they've stuck at the 15 min boot up for two years'

I was very confused! he reckons windows 7 isn't that great either, better than vista but nothings as good as '98 

think i'll stick with xp!

The man needs help. 

Kevin

[dippydave]

 
I did start to thing his slant on things wasn't quite right, but was very grateful my pc was up and running again.

although, i've just remembered he took out 1 GB of ram saying xp doesnt need 2, and it probably caused the unstability.

hmmm. it was fine for over two years with 2......

[Chris_H]

I had a conversation with a PC tech last week, while he uncorrupted my bios and updated stuff, about how Windows is engineered to slow up. Mostly to make us buy the new version. He seemed to like ubunt and apple stuff a lot more as they 'dont go wrong'.

He said stuff like:
'The windows process of moving data constantly, which may help the lifespan of a hard drive, clogs up log files and swap files' and a whole host of things i was not really understanding. He said 'de-fragging can just cause confusion as then the pc is looking in the wrong place for data'.

'Some 6 year old machines which used to take 30 seconds to boot now take 15 minutes. They've only been used for one program, never been updated or connected to anything that could be malicious. Oh were defragged regularly until it was discovered it wasn't helping. Left to themselves they've stuck at the 15 min boot up for two years'

I was very confused! he reckons windows 7 isn't that great either, better than vista but nothings as good as '98 

think i'll stick with xp!

I've always wanted to prove that but haven't had the time.

[dbug]

I did start to thing his slant on things wasn't quite right, but was very grateful my pc was up and running again.

although, i've just remembered he took out 1 GB of ram saying xp doesnt need 2, and it probably caused the unstability.

hmmm. it was fine for over two years with 2......

Man's an rsol - windows has always loved lots of memory!!  Xp and 2Gb should run well ok!!

[TheBoy]

I had a conversation with a PC tech last week, while he uncorrupted my bios and updated stuff, about how Windows is engineered to slow up. Mostly to make us buy the new version. He seemed to like ubunt and apple stuff a lot more as they 'dont go wrong'.

He said stuff like:
'The windows process of moving data constantly, which may help the lifespan of a hard drive, clogs up log files and swap files' and a whole host of things i was not really understanding. He said 'de-fragging can just cause confusion as then the pc is looking in the wrong place for data'.

'Some 6 year old machines which used to take 30 seconds to boot now take 15 minutes. They've only been used for one program, never been updated or connected to anything that could be malicious. Oh were defragged regularly until it was discovered it wasn't helping. Left to themselves they've stuck at the 15 min boot up for two years'

I was very confused! he reckons windows 7 isn't that great either, better than vista but nothings as good as '98 

think i'll stick with xp!

And you let this idiot touch your PC

[Allenm]

I had a conversation with a PC tech last week, while he uncorrupted my bios and updated stuff, about how Windows is engineered to slow up. Mostly to make us buy the new version. He seemed to like ubunt and apple stuff a lot more as they 'dont go wrong'.

He said stuff like:
'The windows process of moving data constantly, which may help the lifespan of a hard drive, clogs up log files and swap files' and a whole host of things i was not really understanding. He said 'de-fragging can just cause confusion as then the pc is looking in the wrong place for data'.

'Some 6 year old machines which used to take 30 seconds to boot now take 15 minutes. They've only been used for one program, never been updated or connected to anything that could be malicious. Oh were defragged regularly until it was discovered it wasn't helping. Left to themselves they've stuck at the 15 min boot up for two years'

I was very confused! he reckons windows 7 isn't that great either, better than vista but nothings as good as '98 

think i'll stick with xp!

What utter 'dangle berries'! numpty obviously knows nothing! 
Windows is "engineered" to be an operating system, nothing else, by virute of that fact, developers are able to write code, drivers, libraries etc that get very close to the underlying architecture of the machine.  This is what slows the machine down, not the OS, but what else is being loaded, initialising and generally making itsself available to a program where the author believes the end-user wants it to respond without intialising its own stack.

Frankly I wouldn't let this bloke near a sodding abacus!

[KillerWatt]

Frankly I wouldn't let this bloke near a sodding abacus!

I'm in full agreement.
Making statements such as "regular defragging extends the life of a hard drive", and "anything more than 1GB of RAM probably caused instability" simply puts him in the same league as a PC World techie that uses AOL as a service provider.

[dippydave]

hmm points taken.

will take more care in future

but he did uncorrupt my bios and sorted a non working pc into a working one. Couldn't work without it! was only glad we didn't have to restore the data drive from backups. 1.4TB takes ages to copy!!!

[Gubz]

hmm points taken.

will take more care in future

but he did uncorrupt my bios and sorted a non working pc into a working one. Couldn't work without it! was only glad we didn't have to restore the data drive from backups. 1.4TB takes ages to copy!!!

that would've taken a bit of time alright